The Mystery of the Rapture Reveiled

Paul goes to a great extent to explain the mystery in 1 Cor. 15. The return of Christ is first mentioned in verse 24. The body of his message is to explain and debunk the teachings of the Saducees. The Saducees believe that there is no spirit, no angels, nor resurrection… see Acts. 23:8. So here in this passage Paul is explaining that we indeed have a spirit body and a Earthly/natural body. Often Paul discusses this fact in other Scriptures, “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.” There is no need for a Earth suit in heaven. Yet so many miss the nature of the mystery that Paul is explaining. The mystery is not about the rapture (being caught up), but rather about the resurrection of the dead (see vs.44), and what happens to the Earth suit (physical body/ natural man).

In Acts 2 we are informed that Jesus natural body did not become “corrupted” in the grave. In other words it didn’t rot and decay. This was prophesied in the Old Testament. So we are made to understand that Paul is talking about the dead saints who’s bodies have become corrupted by rotting and decaying. Paul is stating that we will not all “sleep.” This means that we will not all come to rest in the grave by dying. Those who are alive (and remain) will change in a moment from mortality to immortality. This is the exact opposite of what happened to Adam at the fall when he sinned. He changed from immortality to being mortal. Death entered into the World through sin. Prior to sin Adam’s “Earth suit” could not die.

Paul calls this event the “resurrection of the dead.” He also informs us that the dead saints will again get new natural bodies that cannot be corrupted, rot, or decay. This is the mystery that Paul is referring to in this passage. The reason that the dead saints will need a new physical body is because Jesus is not going to rule and reign for 1000 years on Earth. Without a natural body, the dead saints would be disembodied spirits running around at this time with no Earth suit.

John informs us in Rev. 20:4,5 that those who get martyred for not taking the Mark of the Beast will be resurrected at the FIRST resurrection. 1 Cor 15:42-54 speaks of this same first resurrection.

Acts 1:9-12 informs us that Jesus will return in “like manner” of that He left. He left from the Mount of Olives to the sky/clouds to heaven. If He returns in “like manner” then He will come from heaven with all His (dead) saints to the sky/clouds (1 Thess. 4:16,17, Matt. 24:29-31 where we meet Him in the air) to the Mount of Olives (Zech 14:4,5 with all of His saints).

Earthly bodies never go to heaven. When John was told to “come up here…” he was immediately in the spirit…. Rev. 4:1,2. At the time of the resurrection we will be changed, but the word “glorified” bodies are not used by Paul to describe our new Earth suits (natural bodies).

 

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Separating the Rapture from the Second Coming

A post tribber was having a conversation with a pretribber.  The post states to the pre, “I’m going golfing next week on Tuesday.”  The pre responds, “Is that the first Tuesday or the second Tuesday next week?”  The post states, “What?  What do you mean by that?” The pre responds, “Well the first Tuesday of the week we call the rapture, and the second Tuesday we call the second coming.”  The post responds, “That sounds a little schizophrenic to me.  How do you come up with that?”   The pre replies, “Well the first Tuesday is the day of the Lord and the second is the day of Christ.”  Again the post replies, “Say what?  Christ is the Lord!  There is no difference.”

I’ve been amazed at how the pre-trib camp has attempted to separate the singular event of the rapture/second coming.  The very word “rapture” isn’t in the Bible, yet it was conjured up as an attempt to bring a separation in the event.  They make these big long list or charts to attempt to explain the difference.  Some reasonings are all out lies.  For example:  We are told that at the second coming Jesus doesn’t meet us in the air, but heads strait for the Mount of Olives.  However, Matt. 24:29-31 which is a known as a second coming Scripture, informs us that Jesus comes in the clouds and gathers His own.  So then the argument must then separate the clouds (Matt 24:29-31) from the air (1 Thess. 4:16,17).  That has no more argument than attempting to separate ‘the day of the Lord’ from ‘the day of Christ’.  Both are the same.  We are told that at the second coming Christ’s own are gathered, but at the rapture, we simple meet Him in the air.  However, 2 Thess. 2:1 defines the rapture as being “gathered together with Him…”  In the end no distinction can be made.  Yet this is the very foundation of the pretrib belief.

For further proof see the posts concerning 2 events of “like a thief…”

Nagging question to Pretribbers…

When you die, if you have a personal relationship with Christ, your spiritual body goes to heaven.  Paul tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord… 2 Cor. 5:8.  So since Jesus informed His disciples that He goes to heaven to prepare a place for them, there has been myriads of believers who have died and gone on before.  They are indeed with Christ, living the glorified life in heaven.  Some have been there for thousands of years (earth time).  Yet at the rapture their Earthly corrupted rotted bodies will be raised incorruptible… 1 Cor. 15:51-54.   So the BIG question is:  Why all of a sudden do they need an Earth suit that cannot rot?  Unless, of course, they are coming to live on Earth with Christ for 1000 years.  Paul tells us that the dead get incorruptible bodies, and that the raptured get immortal bodies.  This is the same type of body that Adam and Eve had prior to the fall.  The Scripture tells us that, “By one man’s sin death entered into the World…”  Prior to that Adam and Eve had immortal bodies.  By sinning they put on mortality.  So that fact is that the raptured, and the dead in Christ are putting on Earth suits suitable for living on Earth during the millennium, not for returning to heaven as many suppose.

The Book of Daniel Sealed Up Until The Time of the End and the 70th Week Tribulation Period

The book of Daniel is/was sealed up UNTIL knowledge is increased and people run to and fro… Daniel 12:4,10.
The gap theory between 69th and 70th week is hundreds of years old when horse and buggy was still the norm for travel, and it took a century for knowledge to double. Today knowledge doubles in 2 years, and we travel to and fro by every means possible. As you can see the book of Daniel was still sealed up when the gap theory was invented.
Today the 70th week is totally fulfilled. Titus made a covenant with the Roman Empire to squelch the Jewish rebellion in 66 AD. This started a 7 year war (one week) ending with the fall of Masada in 73 AD. This war is called the Roman-Jewish War or Jewish Uprising. In the middle of that week/war Jerusalem was decimated and the temple destroyed ENDING the daily sacrifices and offerings. They are ended today. There is no Scripture to indicate that they will ever return.
As a result of the assumption and speculation surrounding Daniel’s 70th week we have the false unscriptural idea that the great tribulation is a 7 year period of time. We have the false idea that there is a mid point in the great tribulation in which the temple will again be destroyed and the daily sacrifices will again end. There is absolutely no Scripture to support this idea. Today the temple does not exist. Today the temple is not built with hands, and God’s people are the temple of the Holy Spirit. A physical temple may or may not ever be rebuilt. There is a temple that is measured in Revelation, but it’s nature of physical verse spiritual is not indicated. Not to mention… it appears to have been measured in heaven.
Surrounding the nature of the destruction of the temple, Jesus warns, “Let no man deceive you.” Matt. 24, Mark 13, Luke 21. Yet today we have a HUGE assumption, speculation, opinion, and conjecture mainstream thought that Daniel’s 70th week is somehow futuristic with a huge gap of time and no Scriptural support of the idea.
The idea is important for those pushing a separation of the Jews and the church into two bodies of Christ Jesus. This is contrary to the Word of God…Eph 2:10-15, not to mention that there is only one body in Christ Jesus. The unpleasant tribulation gets pushed off on the Jews and the pleasant rose colored ideas are grabbed for themselves, such as the rapture. The truth often hurts, and any ideas that might cause a little pain and discomfort are rejected. Note the sole characteristic of the “stony” soil in the parable of the sower… it has the lack of mindset for tribulation and persecution..Mar, 4:18. They simply didn’t sign up for that!
What is truly amazing is that this false gap of time between the 69th and 70th week is foundational in major doctrines. How interesting that such major doctrines are built upon assumptions that cause divisions in the body of Christ. We are told to avoid such speculations…1 Tim. 2:23.

Glorified, Incorruptible Bodies Vs. Immortal Bodies

When Adam and Eve were first created they were given bodies that were immortal.  Meaning that they would not die.  With the single act of sin in the garden, they put on mortality and as a result death entered into creation.  Death was foreign prior to the first sin. Often we hear that the raptured will get glorified heavenly bodies.  That is not what the Scripture tells us. The context that Paul speaks about is the difference between the physical body and the spiritual body… see 1 Cor. 15:44.  The physical body is what Paul addresses when Christ returns.

Paul tells us that the DEAD gets glorified incorruptible bodies. 1 Cor. 15:51-54  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. Look at the distinction that Paul makes… the DEAD get the glorified incorruptible bodies, while the raptured are merely changed.  The raptured get bodies just like Adam and Eve did prior to the fall, where they put on mortality with the single act of sin. The significance of this in relation to the rapture is eye opening.  Firstly, if the raptured don’t get glorified incorruptible bodies, then they cannot be heaven bound.  Rather they meet Jesus in the air (1 Thess. 4) or clouds (Matt. 24:29-31).  Translated from one place on Earth to another.  At this point the raptured are forever with the Lord.  Jesus is not headed back to heaven in a giant u-turn as some suppose, but on His way to the Mount of Olives… Zech 14:4,5 Paul tells the Bride how to get ready on Earth for when Jesus comes for her with all of His saints…1 Thess. 3:10-13.  All of His saints refer to those who have died and risen first.  They are the ones that have been dwelling the the places in heaven that Jesus stated in John 14:2,3, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.  And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”  Jesus is going to be dwelling on Earth for the next 1000 years.  The tribulation saints who were martyred during the tribulation will be ruling and reigning with Him there…Rev. 20:4.   Jesus and His saints will not be returning to those dwelling places in heaven spoken of in John for 1000 years.  So you see, there is no need for the raptured to have glorified incorruptible bodies until then, because they are not heaven bound until the end of the millennium. The word for rapture “harpazo” is used twice in the Word. Once in 1 Thess. 4 and the other in Acts where Philip was translated from the sea where he baptized the Ethiopian Eunuch.  Philip disappeared from one location and reappeared in another on Earth.  That is the definition of a rapture.  Often it is referred to as translated.  At the “rapture” or our gathering together with Him (2 Thess. 2:1), we are relocated from one place on Earth to another.  First the air/clouds, then to the Mount of Olives. Satan is bound for 1000 years.  I do not know if sin is totally absent from the Earth at that time due to the selfishness of the flesh, but the tempter is not present until the end. It appears that sin is not totally absent from what Isaiah states… Is. 65:20  Obviously the choice to sin could “put on” mortality once again, if that were possible for the elect.  However, reproduction and having children is very possible for the elect, who do not have glorified bodies, but rather immortal bodies like Adam and Eve at the beginnings of creation.  Isaiah speaks of this form of immortality in Isaiah 65:20. In Summary:  It is important to understand that without glorified bodies, residence in heaven doesn’t take place.  Only the dead get glorified bodies.  Without them the raptured remain on Earth with Christ for 1000 years.  Methuselah lived 969 years with a mortal body.  Longevity is the correct understanding of immortality that is spoken of by Paul.

The Scripture tells us EXACTLY when the Rapture will occure.

The reason there are so many views concerning the coming of our Lord and our gathering together with Him is due to the amount of speculation.  The truth of the matter is that the Scripture tells us exactly when and how the Rapture will occur.

Paul tells us that the rapture will occur “at the last trumpet.”  1 Cor. 15:51,52.  He describes it as a mystery. The angel declares that at the last trumpet the mystery of God is finished… Rev. 10:7. At the last trumpet, Jesus rules and reigns forevermore… Rev. 11:15.  At the last trumpet Jesus judges the dead, and REWARDS the righteous…. Rev. 11:18. Jesus declares that when He comes, that His REWARD is WITH Him… Rev. 22:12.

Are you getting that?

—-At the last trumpet Jesus comes … 1 Cor. 15:51,52

—-At the 7th trumpet Jesus rewards the righteous, and judges the dead… Rev. 11:18

—-Jesus rewards the righteous and the wicked according to their works when He comes…Rev. 22:12

—-Paul reveals a mystery at the last trumpet… 1 Cor. 15:51,52

—-The angel declares that at the 7th trumpet, the mystery is finished… Rev. 10:7

But the Scripture doesn’t end there…

The angel swore that time was no more… Rev. 10:6.   Jesus rules and reigns forevermore…Rev. 11:15, and that the mystery of God is finished…Rev. 10:7. At this point, there simply cannot have Jesus ruling and reigning forevermore and then have a chronological timing of the beast making war on the saints 2 chapters later. The fact remains that the angel told John that he would prophesy again…Rev. 10:11. At this point we can understand that the trumpets and the bowls are the same events….Note the dual nature of the prophesies. The seas are made fowl..2nd and 3rd trumpet AND bowl… 4th trumpet and bowl the sun is effected, some experience darkness, while others get scorched by the sun. 5th trumpet and bowl From the pit of darkness that cause severe pain… . 6th trumpet and bowl, Euphrates river mentioned which causes a great war and loss of lives. The seventh trumpet and bowl is the rapture…trumpet 1 Cor. 15:51,52, Rev. 10:6,7, 11:15-18,22:12, bowl.. Rev. 16:15. Paul declares it at the last trumpet (1 Cor. 15:51,52). Jesus declares it at the last bowl (Rev. 16:15), and the angel tells John that there is a dual prophesy (Rev. 10:11).

As you can clearly see, Scripture addresses the WHEN of the rapture.  It is at the end of the tribulation.  All other views use speculation in an attempt to place the rapture at different points concerning the tribulation.  Those attempts do not have any Scripture to back their claims.

Speculation of the pre-trib view Verses the Grounded Word of the Post-trib view

2 Timothy 2:23 states, “But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels” or schisms..

No one refutes that there is schisms in the body of Christ over the correct placement of the rapture. Paul tells Timothy to avoid speculations for this very reason. The key would seem then to analyze the Word of God to see if one view is truly built on speculation:

Comparing the Scriptural foundations of the pre-trib rapture vs. the Scriptural foundations of the post trib view:

Pre-tribulation Rapture Scriptural Support

The biggest argument for placement of the rapture of the pre-trib doctrine is the fact that we are not “appointed to wrath.” 1 Thess. 5:9. Because of this argument it absolutely makes since that the rapture would have to take place prior to God’s wrath. So here we understand that the timing of the rapture is given according to the logical reasoning that seems to make since. However, when looking for an actual Scripture to support the claim that the rapture takes place prior to the great tribulation, there is none to be found. If you know of one that pinpoints the rapture prior to the tribulation, please post below. Therefore the foundation of the pretrib view becomes a matter of precepts that are built upon logical conclusions. As a result of a lack of a single Scripture to support the timing of a rapture prior to the tribulation, there are multiple accusations that the pretrib rapture is not in the Bible, because of this. Often this is taken to believe that the accusation is that the rapture itself is not in the Bible. That argument is easily debunked. Of course, the rapture is in the Bible. What is in question is the placement prior to the tribulation that is in question.

So at this point we currently only have an assumption based upon speculation.

The problem with the logical conclusions is, that they are based upon an assumption of what the wrath of God is. Although Rev. 14:9-11 informs us that God’s wrath is Hell, and Rev. 11:15-18 tells us that God’s wrath judges the dead after Jesus rules and reigns forevermore. The assumption remains that God’s wrath is temporal in nature and not Hell. It is true that MAN declares that God’s wrath has come in Rev. 6:16,17, but both Jesus and Paul tells us to let no MAN deceive us. So we still have a mixed message… Is God actually stating that His wrath started at this point in the book of Revelation (Rev. 6:16,17) or is it simply the claim of men? The correct interpretation hinges on whether on not God’s wrath is temporal or remains an eternal Hell.

Let’s look at the application: If God’s wrath is temporal and God’s people are not appointed to it, then why are the “tribulation saints” missing the promise? God is not a man that He should lie. If God’s wrath is and eternal Hell, then God’s promise applies to the “tribulation saints” as well. For they too are not appointed to Hell (wrath). Another thing to consider is what ARE we appointed to? Often verse 10 is left out in 1 Thess. 5:9, AND 10. We are appointed to SALVATION and FOREVER living with Him. So our appointment is eternal in nature… interesting. Why is the word “appointment” or “assignment” used here? Those words often are used for a futurist position. When someone is appointed or assigned something it often has a futuristic due date where it becomes reality. It’s amazing the tribulation some of our brothers and sisters have to endure around the world. So serious that often we can’t stand to even hear about it. Yet, they know their assignment is Eternal and that Jesus overcame. That’s what brings them “peace” and “good cheer” in the trial…John 16:33

So often man who is affixed to Earth has his mind on the things of Earth. It is difficult to grasp the reality of the eternal, but with God, He is not temporal minded. And earthquake of Tsunami can instantly kill thousands, and man can call it God’s wrath. A Saint who has spent their life serving God, can end up dying a long agonizing death of cancer. We know that their appointment is heaven, yet it’s ridiculous to consider temporal death God’s wrath. Judgement Yes. God’s judgement brings about His eternal wrath.

We are not appointed to wrath… 1 Thess. 5:9 The word for wrath in the Greek is “ergo” It is only used 5 times in Revelations… 6:16,17, and 11:18(at the last trumpet) 16:19 (at the last bowl) and 19:15 (same event at the last trumpet/last bowl) .

In conclusion, the timing of the rapture for the pre-trib view is based entirely upon speculation.
Scriptural basis for the Post-trib rapture

Paul tells us that the rapture is at the last trumpet… 1 Cor. 15:51,52. This gives us a timing to work with:

51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The angel declares the same mystery at the 7th trumpet:

Rev. 10:
[7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets

This verse is never brought up when people attempt to debunk the last trumpet concept. The argument is directed only on chapter 11 of Rev. when the trumpet is actually blown. It is very interesting that the angel declares the word mystery. These verse… 1 Cor. 15,51,52, and Rev. 10:7 are the only verses in the Scripture that mention the mystery of God and the last trumpet. The debunkers attempt to show a ruse of other trumpet verses in the old testament that clearly don’t apply.

But that is not all…

At the 7th trumpet, Rev. 11:15-18, Jesus rules and reigns forevermore. He rewards the righteous….

HELLO!

Rev. 22:12 [12] “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be”

Did you catch that??? His reward is WITH Him when He comes…. At the 7th trumpet He REWARDS every man..

But that’s not all…

When the angel gives John the little book to eat, He swears that time “is no more,” and puts it in the context of the 7th trumpet.

Rev. 10:
[5] And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
[6] And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
[7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

What is the purpose of John eating the book? To what end? It’s found in the last verse:

[11] And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings

That is a huge commission to someone in their 90’s if he was near the age of Christ when called as a disciple. This vision/ heavenly experience took place in 92 to 95 AD on the island of Patmos while in exile. He spent the rest of his days in Ephesus where he finished the final draft of Revelations and the book of John. He died without any record of prophesying to many peoples, nations and tongues…. EXCEPT…

Understanding the nature of the seventh trumpet:

1. Time is no more… Rev. 10:6
2. Jesus rules and reigns forevermore… Rev. 11:15-18
3. God wrath IS come, judges the dead… Rev. 11:15-18
4. Jesus rewards the righteous… Rev. 11:15-18
5. God destroys them that destroy the Earth… Rev. 11:15-18
6. Paul declares the Rapture happens at the last trumpet…. 1 Cor. 15:51,52

If Jesus now rules and reigns forevermore and God destroys those that destroy the Earth, then you simply cannot have an antichrist ruling and reigning chronologically after this.
Throughout the book of Revelation the angels/beast/voice from heaven are showing John the revelation and walking him through it, until you get to a section of chapters 12-16. In this section no personal guidance is supplied to him through it. In this section we have the mark of the beast, and the seven bowl/vials judgments. The angel does not return to explain and expound on this section until chapter 17. We know that Jesus rules and reigns forevermore at the end of chapter eleven and therefore this section cannot be happening post 7th trumpet, but rather must be a parallel, or a SECOND prophesy. John prophesying AGAIN. The angel told John that he would prophesy AGAIN as a result of eating the little book. Therefore the ONLY explanation is that the 12-16 chapters is exactly that; John prophesying again. This second prophesy originates from eating the book. John never had the opportunity to prophesy again to many tribes, nations and kings after his time of exile on Patmos. He was an old man and died shortly afterward. However, this second prophesy IS and will be heard by all the kings, nations, and tribes, when the mark of the beast is implemented and they start wondering why the Saints won’t play along and take the mark. The second prophesy mirrors the first. The seven bowls expound on it’s sister prophesy, the seven trumpets. They are one in the same.

That being the case, check out right before the seventh bowl. Jesus declares in Rev. 16:15 its in red!

“Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame

This is the same warning He gave the CHURCH of Sardis in Rev. 3:1-4. (Why is the church being mentioned in chapter 16?)

So here we see Paul declaring that the rapture is at the last trumpet. We see Jesus declaring that the rapture is about to happen right before the last bowl, and we have the Angel showing John that the trumpets and the bowls are one in the same. Jesus rewards the righteous at the 7th trumpet, and declares He comes and His reward is WITH Him.

There is at least three Scriptures that directly point to the rapture at the 7th trumpet. The view is not built upon speculation, but the Word of God