The Mystery of the Rapture Reveiled

Paul goes to a great extent to explain the mystery in 1 Cor. 15. The return of Christ is first mentioned in verse 24. The body of his message is to explain and debunk the teachings of the Saducees. The Saducees believe that there is no spirit, no angels, nor resurrection… see Acts. 23:8. So here in this passage Paul is explaining that we indeed have a spirit body and a Earthly/natural body. Often Paul discusses this fact in other Scriptures, “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.” There is no need for a Earth suit in heaven. Yet so many miss the nature of the mystery that Paul is explaining. The mystery is not about the rapture (being caught up), but rather about the resurrection of the dead (see vs.44), and what happens to the Earth suit (physical body/ natural man).

In Acts 2 we are informed that Jesus natural body did not become “corrupted” in the grave. In other words it didn’t rot and decay. This was prophesied in the Old Testament. So we are made to understand that Paul is talking about the dead saints who’s bodies have become corrupted by rotting and decaying. Paul is stating that we will not all “sleep.” This means that we will not all come to rest in the grave by dying. Those who are alive (and remain) will change in a moment from mortality to immortality. This is the exact opposite of what happened to Adam at the fall when he sinned. He changed from immortality to being mortal. Death entered into the World through sin. Prior to sin Adam’s “Earth suit” could not die.

Paul calls this event the “resurrection of the dead.” He also informs us that the dead saints will again get new natural bodies that cannot be corrupted, rot, or decay. This is the mystery that Paul is referring to in this passage. The reason that the dead saints will need a new physical body is because Jesus is not going to rule and reign for 1000 years on Earth. Without a natural body, the dead saints would be disembodied spirits running around at this time with no Earth suit.

John informs us in Rev. 20:4,5 that those who get martyred for not taking the Mark of the Beast will be resurrected at the FIRST resurrection. 1 Cor 15:42-54 speaks of this same first resurrection.

Acts 1:9-12 informs us that Jesus will return in “like manner” of that He left. He left from the Mount of Olives to the sky/clouds to heaven. If He returns in “like manner” then He will come from heaven with all His (dead) saints to the sky/clouds (1 Thess. 4:16,17, Matt. 24:29-31 where we meet Him in the air) to the Mount of Olives (Zech 14:4,5 with all of His saints).

Earthly bodies never go to heaven. When John was told to “come up here…” he was immediately in the spirit…. Rev. 4:1,2. At the time of the resurrection we will be changed, but the word “glorified” bodies are not used by Paul to describe our new Earth suits (natural bodies).

 

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Rapture Vomit

If God tells the church that He will spew them out of His mouth if they are lukewarm, then obviously the lukewarm church is not rapture material…Rev. 3:14-22.  In fact just about all of the seven churches mentioned in the book of Revelation are filled with the stony, weedy soils, as well as the fertile soil… (Mark 4)  There are those who overcome and those who do not, but only the overcomers are rewarded.  There are those who watch and keep their garments, and those who do not.  Luke 17 informs us of those who don’t watch and warns us to remember Lot’s wife.  She didn’t get rescued, but rather turned into a pillar of salt.  The fact of the matter is that the church is not going to be raptured. Only the saints  When Jesus returns for His bride, we are told that He returns with his saints, not His church…1 Thess. 3:10-13.  The church is not prophesied about after Rev. chapter 3 (although mentioned in Rev. 22:16).  This is because it no longer exists as it once was.  The church represents mixture.  That mixture is purged by persecution and tribulation. Jesus tells us that those who don’t have the mindset for tribulation and persecution are not saved, but immediately stumble… Mark 4:18.  Once the mixture is dissolved, only the saints are left.  The church is not seen in heaven or mentioned in the 1000 year millennium, just His saints.  It is truly amazing how many think that the vomited lukewarm church is some how rapture material….Rev. 3:14-22.

Is the Post-tribulation Rapture a Dangerous View?

Search the Web on this topic and you find very little on the post-trib side.  On post told me that the Post-tribulation Rapture is very dangerous because it messes with the pre-tribulational doctrinal issues.  Well naturally, but that hardly makes it dangerous.  Another direction people take to tell us that it is dangerous is has a more slanderous nature.  It is from an accusation that those who believe the view won’t see the need to live godly lives, because they can put that off until later.  Unfortunately, that argument applies to just about anyone and it is contrary to Peter’s admonition.

2 Peter 3:10,12

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Peter tells us that because the heavens and earth is going to be dissolved, for that reason we need to behave ourselves.  How a person chooses to live, is the heavenly test of eternity.   I don’t really see the logical nature of Peters reasoning here, but it dismantles and addresses the pre-tribbers argument over the issue.  In the end the accusation for the Post-trib view being dangerous is yet to be determined.

Taking a post-trib stance, on the other hand, is very beneficial.  It prepare and give a mindset to receive tribulation and persecution.  Both which are assigned and appointed to the believer… John 16:33, 2 Tim 3:12.  Paul tells us that he glories in his tribulations because the perfect him… Rom 5:3.  Jesus declares that this mindset is necessary to have the fertile soil of salvation in His parable of the sower… Mark 4.  For this reason the post-trib stance sees a fundamental tie to salvation.  The stony soil is not prepared for tribulation and persecution, and when it comes, those who have the stony soil, “immediately stumble” and fall away.  Taking the post-trib stance also prepares the believer to keep the oil in their lamp to go the distance.  This is the warning that Jesus gave concerning the 10 virgins.  Half were foolish and didn’t have enough oil to make it to the end.

In contrast, the Pre-trib view, has an extremely dangerous side effect.  That is the stony soil issue… Mark 4:18.  It makes the issue foundationally connected to salvation.  Because those who adhere to the view seem to be unable to look at the other side of the coin in case they are incorrect, they fail to notice that the fundamental attraction to the view is the part about skipping out on all the bad stuff, i.e. tribulation and persecution.  For this reason the stony soil has a strong attraction to it.  Historically this is what happens.  If the pre-trib doctrine is taught prior to persecution there is severe danger.  Such as in China in the 1930’s, when tribulation and persecution came, loads of believers became apostate.  Denying Christ, will cause Him to deny you before His Father in heaven.  Rev. 3:5 speaks of blotting out names that were once written in the book of life.

So concerning spiritual warfare, if the Devil were to take on a deceptive view, which one would be more favorable to his cause?  There is only one correct view.  Choose wisely.

Pretrib doctrine is Foundationaly built on Speculation of obscure passages part 1

I find it fascinating that a pre-trib doctrine believer actually believes that some prophesies are fulfilled. After all the most obvious fulfillment is the one where the daily sacrifices have ended, and pretribbers see it as futuristic. The Jews know when these sacrifices ended, the rest of the world knows that the Jews have never continued to resume the daily sacrifices, and yet pre-tribbers place this prophesy in the future. Interesting…

Titus who made a covenant with the Roman Empire started his quest in 66 AD to squelch the Jewish rebellion. After 3.5 years his quest ended by the decimation of the temple in Jerusalem. Thus ending the daily sacrifices and leaving Jerusalem desolate. This happened in chronological order of Daniel’s prophesy of the 70 weeks. Right after the Messiah was cut off by not for Himself, thus fulfilling Daniel’s 70th week to a T… YET…the pretribber tells us that there is a mysterious 2000 yr +/- gap between the 69th and 70 week. Just so that the Great Tribulation can be a 7 yr period, and so they can falsely separate the Jewish program from the church. What do they do with the daily sacrifices being obviously cut off? They tell us that the Temple is going to be rebuilt and the daily sacrifices again restored…. YET… the whole of Scripture NEVER gives any indication of that. In fact this thinking is brought about by a single verse…. Daniel’s 70th week which Titus clearly fulfilled in a timely manor.

This single verse that is falsely interpreted by the pretrib doctrine is the Foundation of the pretrib doctrine. Without it you have no 7 year tribulation period, no temple rebuilt, no mid-tribulation 3.5 year timeline, no end of the daily sacrifices, and the like. ONE SINGLE VERSE, and NO SUPPORTING VERSES to support it. The entire doctrine is built on such speculation of obscure passages that don’t support the doctrine. Sad part is that pretribbers want it to work so badly for them that they forsake the truth just to make it work for them. It is extremely sad the deception that they have brought upon themselves because they fail to love the truth… 2 Thess. 2:11,12

Daniel’s 70 Week, The Abomination of Desolation, and the time of Jacob’s Trouble are indeed the same event, but….

History is a beautiful thing. Those who ignore it are destined to repeat it. Unfortunately some End Time views seem to ignore some obvious history.

First of all we must address the foundational basis of Matt. 24. Many ignore the first question the disciples asked, as most pre-tribbers do. The disciples comment to Jesus concerning the beauty of the temple and its architecture. Jesus prophesies that it will be destroyed and not one stone left upon another. This occurred in 70 AD. The disciples then asked when this would come to pass… THIS IS THE QUESTION OFTEN OVERLOOKED. The parallel passages in Mark 13, and Luke 21 also ask THIS question and do not continue to ask the rest of the question that is in Matt. 24:3. That is pertaining to the time of the End. The fact that is overlooked is that this question that the disciples asked is TOTALLY OVERLOOKED…. WHY?

Jesus DID NOT blow off the disciples question, but answered it:

In 66 AD Titus started a conquest through an agreement with the Roman Empire to squelch the Jewish uprising against Roman rule. This lasted for 3.5 years in that ended in 70 AD with the decimation of the Temple. As a result not a stone was left upon another because the gold seeped through the stones and the gold seekers displaced them to get to the gold. Also the daily sacrifices were ended. This piece of History is an obvious fulfillment to Daniel 9:27. This happened chronologically with vs. 26 which tells us that the Messiah was cut off but not for Himself. Another obvious fulfillment of Christ on the cross, who died not for Himself, but for the sins of the World. By ignoring this obvious fulfillment pre-tribbers lose a witness to the Jews at this Scripture obviously points to the cross and the decimation of the temple in 70 AD and the end of the daily sacrifices. The Jews are well aware of when they lost the daily sacrifices and how.

Unfortunately the pretrib view totally ignores this fact and somehow it twists this verse (Daniel 9:27) into giving us nearly thousands of years gap between verse 26, and 27 to tell us that Titus didn’t fulfill it in a timely manor, but that it somehow is yet to be fulfilled. Thus, also ignoring the fact that the daily sacrifices were ended nearly 2000 years ago.  The Jews know exactly when the daily sacrifices ended… if only the pre-trib doctrine could figure it out then they would have not destroyed a witness here.

But…back to the fact that Jesus didn’t blow off and ignore the disciples question in Matt. 24:3. Jesus totally answered it. It is in verses 15-21. He told them, when you see the abomination of desolation standing where he ought not previously spoken about by Daniel the prophet… (let the reader understand) That’s very interesting…. let the reader understand…. History lesson again: In around 167 BC another invading army under the conquest of a Roman ruler Antiochus Epiphanies. He created an alter over the alter of God in the temple and offered a pig to Zeus. This is recorded in Daniel 11. Daniel 11 is a prophesy that today reads like a history book. It starts with the time of the Greeks and ends with the Roman Empire where the Glorious Land (Israel) is made to be included as part of the Roman Empire, but Ammon,Moab, etc is not (see Daniel 11:40.41) So we can clearly see that the Jews totally understood, …let the reader understand.., when Titus came with his army and stood in the temple where he ought not, just as Jesus had predicted.

After this time the Jews were increasing pushed from their homeland to the ends of the Earth. By 162 AD Jerusalem was considered Jew free and not a Jew was to be found in Jerusalem. The Jews were not to return until 1948. This fulfills another prophesy… but if you are a pretribber…you are not going to like this one… In Jer. 30:7 Jeremiah predicts a time for Israel unlike no other, it is called the time of Jacob’s trouble.  It’s unfortunate that the pretrib view does not read the rest of the prophesy that continues through Jer. 31. You see as a result of the time of Jacob’s trouble Israel is scattered to the ends of the Earth. After which she is gathered… Jer. 31:8. She will never be scattered again. At the time of scattering 3 on the onset and up to 6 Million Jews were killed by the Romans, and at the time of gathering under the Nazi’s 6 million Jews were killed. The scattering included many generations up to 1948 where she was gathered. This was INDEED the worse time ever for Israel, approx. 12 million Jews killed. When the Messiah returns He will find Jerusalem OCCUPIED with Jews… Zech 14:1-4

Consider the pretrib… view if you believe the time of Jacob’s trouble to be futuristic…  3.5 years into the Great Tribulation the temple is destroyed and the daily sacrifices ended… The Jews are scattered to the ends of the Earth (according to Jer. 30:7 through Jer. 31), just to turn around and be gathered… returned to their homes so that the Messiah will find Jerusalem occupied by Jews. During that time half of Jerusalem will be put under captivity to fulfill Zech.14.  All of these events would have to take place in less than 3.5 year. It is estimated around 6 million Jews in Israel today. Over 12 million Jews would have to be killed during this time for it to be the worst time ever for Israel. Unless, of course, you do not consider the death toll as a consideration of the “worst time ever” for Israel.  What then would justify a “worst time ever” for Israel?

So Jesus spoke of the “worst time ever” for Israel… it started with Titus and the destruction of the temple. Jesus tells them to flee when they see the armies surround Jerusalem and Titus stand in the Temple where he ought not. That would be in the inner courts where gentiles were not permitted. Matt. 24:15-21

Note that Daniel also speaks of the “worst time ever” for Israel. Daniel 12:1….”At that time…” What time??? the time of the Roman Empire just spoken about in Daniel 11 which included the Glorious Land, but not Edom, Ammon…etc. see vs. 40,41

Scripture makes it very clear when the “worst time ever” WAS for Israel. It is not futuristic. Her future is brighter than her past.  The abomination of Desolation took place in 70 AD and when John wrote the book of Revelation it is not mentioned… Why?  Because it was now a thing of the past!

So why does the Pre-trib view ignore History? Surely they could integrate it into their doctrine? One point is the 7 year period of the Great Tribulation. Without Daniel 9:27 (Daniel’s 70th week) being futuristic a seven year period is not substantiated, and it’s very important for it to be 7 years long for them for some reason. More importantly, it is important to separate the Jews from the church concerning the Olivet discourse. To except history as history and not push it into the future one must except Paul’s writings that the wall of separation has come down between the Jew and gentile and we are one new man in Christ Jesus… Eph. 2:11-15. Without this separation the separation between the rapture and the second coming becomes impossible. It is already… you see Jesus declares that He will come “like a thief…” for the second coming… 2 Peter 3:10, Rev. 16:15. If a rapture were to happen 7 year prior, the Jesus would be a liar concerning the nature in which He declared how he would come for the second coming, “like a thief…” A rapture 7 years prior would destroy any element of surprise, “like a thief…” would have… Matt. 24:42,43. Jesus is not the liar.

How do you know if your view of the end times is correct.

Everyone thinks their view is correct, but how can you really tell, and how important is it really?

Both Jesus and Paul tell us to be careful that no man deceive you concerning this issue… Matt. 24:4, 2 Thess. 2:3.  Peter tells us that those who don’t get it correct, “..twist the scriptures as the always do…” 2 Pet. 3:16.   So obviously the warning stipulates that there is a lot of deception and twisting of the Word.

If you are interested in the truth, you must be willing to set aside all opinion, assumption, conjecture and speculation.  If you can do this the truth will become available to you.  This is not an easy task, especially if you have studied a lot of man’s opinion, and therefore see through those lenses.  If you, however, are new to the study, let the Bible be your guide.  Otherwise, you must be able to set aside all the movies, and ideas that may have bombarded you with man’s opinion over the years.

One certain way to understand that the Word of God has been tampered with is that certain ideas or doctrines create loose ends that must be tied up and explained by man. Like a child who has told a lie and must tell others to cover for the first on.  These ideas create sub-doctrines that cannot be substantiated by the Word and must be explained by someone in order to be understood.  You will not be able to find any explanation from the Word, because they are super-scriptural, and therefore added to the Word.  For the truth to be found the idea must flow with the whole of Scripture and all “loose end” must be dealt with by Scripture, leaving no room for man to interfere.

Here is an example of a loose end or sub-doctrine:  The pre-tribulation rapture view tells us that the bride is raptured seven years prior to the second coming.  That is the initial idea.  However it creates many loose ends that must be explained and must be addressed solely by man.  One loose end is the sub-doctrine of the tribulation saints.  The tribulation saint cannot be the bride, because the bride is in heaven (according to the view).  This causes many problems with the whole of Scripture; “we are one body in Christ Jesus”, the promises that apply to the bride, don’t apply to the tribulation saints, etc.  How can the saints be one body as a bride, and another as separate from the bride, and remain one body?  Man’s explanation of this view, tells us that the tribulation saints must become eternal heavenly servants of the bride.  This in effect makes the tribulation saints greater than the bride, because, “He who wishes to be greatest in the kingdom of heaven must become a servant of all.”  If that is the case, it would be more desirable to be a tribulation saint than a member of the bride.  There are a lot of other complications that this the concept of tribulation saints bring, and those who carry this particular view cannot agree exactly on how this all plays out.  Here in lies the problem.  It is super-scriptural in nature.  Not explained by the Word and therefore the end result must be conjured to make sense of it all. As a result there will be many views concerning the sub-doctrines.  Be careful that no man deceive you!

Another issue is a doctrine changing the Word to be able to accommodate their view.  Peter addresses this.  In order for the doctrine to be received it must be taught to those with a shallow understanding of the Word.

Here is an example of this:  Luke 21:36 tells us to pray always that we may be counted worthy to escape all that is coming upon the earth…  The pre-tribulation view tells us that the word “escape” in this passage refers to the rapture.  Okay if that is the case, what does this concept do with the rest of the verse?   “…Pray always that you may be counted worthy…”   Most have the understanding that the prerequisite to being raptured is being saved.  We are saved by grace and not by works or being worth… Eph 2:8,9.  However, for the word “escape” to be the rapture, we must be raptured by our worthiness and pray always accordingly.   So now we are told that only some Christians will be raptured because not all are worthy, although saved.  To continue this thinking, they would also loose any bride status in order to become tribulation saints. Perhaps even having to have to face martyrdom to earn their way into heaven because Christ died for the bride, and not for them.  This verse creates division among those who hold the view.   Some believe there is no division of those raptured at the rapture and some do.  Overall the understanding of salvation equating those “assigned for rapture” must be severed, otherwise we would have to be saved by works, contrary to the Word.   Jesus told us the parable of the 10 virgins in Matt. 25.  The five foolish were not only told, “depart from me, I never knew you,” but “go to hell” as well.   What they were not told is that they would get a second chance as a tribulation saint.  As you can see the Word gets changed to accommodate the view.

You must ask yourself, is your own desires clouding your view?   Often I get asked, “Why would you want to go through the great tribulation?”  As if what I want as anything to do with God’s plan.  The obvious conclusion to those who ask this question is that their personal desires have clouded their perception of the truth.

If Peter tells us that those who do not get it right concerning the view of eschatology (end times), “twist the scripture as they always do.”  The “as they always do” is huge.  That means that your perceptions of truth concerning your “end time” beliefs exemplifies your perception of the Scriptures as a whole.  This put great importance upon the study of eschatology.  We must be lovers of the truth, if not God Himself will send a delusion upon us as stated in 2 Thess. 2 at the end of chapter.

 

15 Reasons the Pre-Trib View Has Failed

15 Ways that he Pre-tribulation Rapture doctrine has failed…

1. Paul tells the bride of Christ how to get ready ON EARTH for when Jesus come with all of His saints… 1 Thess. 3:12,13 The dead in Christ rise first that those are the saints who Jesus is returning with for His bride. The bride makes herself ready by “the righteous acts of the saints.” Those acts cannot be accomplished in heaven. They must be accomplished on Earth.

2. The Scriptures that tells us that “no one knows the day or the hour” ALWAYS reference the SECOND COMING… ex. Matt. 24:36…”of that day, no one know the day or the hour…” Which day? They one just described in vs. 29-31,35… “immediately after the tribulation…”

3. Jesus tells us that He will return “Like a thief” Rev. 16:15, 2 Peter 3:10. This references the SECOND COMING. If He were to come 7 years prior in a Pre-tribulation rapture fashion He would have made Himself into a liar on the nature of HOW He declared He would come, “Like a thief…”

4. Jesus return is NOT imminent. Paul tells us two things that must happen first before we can be gathered together with Him… 1) A great apostasy must take place and 2) the anti-christ must be revealed… 2 Thess. 2:1-3. CAN YOU NAME or POINT OUT who the anti-christ is? NO, because he hasn’t been revealed yet. At this point you can only speculate.

5. The wrath of God is not temporal… it is eternal. We are not appointed to wrath…. BUT to SALVATION and forever living with Him. 2 Thess 5:9 AND 10. This same Greek word is used in the book of Rev. 3 times… Rev. 6:16,17 where MAN declares it, and Rev. 11 where GOD declares His wrath by judging the dead with eternal hell.

6. Jesus declares that He is STILL coming “Like a thief…” for those who are watching after the tribulation… Rev. 16:15. The view must relocate this Scripture to another location otherwise God would have been pouring out His wrath upon His own people. Thus twisting the Word of God to fit their agenda.

7. The tribulation saints… this is a very interesting doctrine. Tribulation saints cannot be the bride because the bride is supposed to already be raptured. Therefore, a NEW body of saints must be created to accommodate this doctrine making us no longer one body in Christ Jesus, but multiple.

8. Luke 21:36 Here the view ASSUMES that the word “escape” means rapture. For the Pretrib view to work, it must change the Word of God concerning salvation. We are saved by grace and not of works, yet we can only be raptured by praying always and our worthiness. The pretrib view must state (in light of Luke 21:36) that only the worthy saints are raptured and not everyone who is saved. Thus putting the unworthy into a tribulation saint category. Thus removing their “bride” status because they can no longer be the bride. The view tells us that the tribulation saints become eternal servants of the bride… thus elevating them greater than the bride, because he who is greatest in the kingdom is a servant of all…

9. Jesus didn’t blow off the disciples question in Matt. 24:3, and Mark 13. The disciples asked, “When will these things be…” What things? The destruction of the temple where not one stone is left upon another… 70 AD. The pretrib view sees ALL of what Jesus answers as futuristic suggesting that Jesus blew off the disciples question, and presents their accordingly.

10. The view must make light of the only places the New Testament Scripture refers to the MYSTERY surrounding the last trumpet… 1 Cor. 15:51,52 and Rev. 10:7

11. The view tells us that the bride is in heaven for the tribulation, however the Word tells us that she is making herself ready on Earth. Paul tells her how to make herself ready for when Jesus comes with all of His saints (who have died and risen first) to present her to the Father… 1 Thess. 3:12:13 She makes herself ready by her righteous acts… these acts must be preformed on Earth, therefore she cannot be making herself ready in Heaven, but on Earth.

12. To separate the Rapture event from the Second Coming event the pre-trib view has no alternative except to just flat out lie about it. It’s one thing to use opinion, assumptions and conjecture, but to present their lists of differences attempting to make the events two, it’s just one lie after another, making up their own scripture where it doesn’t exist.

13. The church of Philadelphia FULFILLED a contingency causing them to be worthy to escape the “hour of temptation”. The pretrib view tells us there is no contingency. The church just escapes it all through rapture… Rev. 3:10

14. 1 Thess. 4:18 tells us to “comfort one another with these words.” This is a wonderful thing, however the pretrib doctrine tells us the comfort is in escaping tribulation and not in the context. We see in the context specified as the fact that we are resurrected from the dead and forever live with Him. What is not understood is that the Sadducees taught that there was no resurrection from the dead. The sorrow was a result of their teaching. Jesus tells us to have “good cheer” and “peace” concerning our assignment to tribulation… John 16:33

15. When the 5 unwise virgins were told “I never knew you”, they were also told to go to Hell. They were not told that they would be given a second chance as tribulation saints. See Matt. 25

 

 

 

to be continued…