Matt. 24 is for the Jews?

In order for the pretrib doctrine to have legs, the passage in Matt. 24:29-31 must be isolated for the Jews only.  Matt. 24:29-31 reads:

[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other

Because this passage gives us a direct order of events that interferes with the pretrib rapture doctrine,  the doctrine must find a way to segregate this order of events so that it does not include everyone.

As a result, names must be given to the segregated.  One name we are told is the Jews and the other the church.  There are several problems in attempting this.  One is that Christ’s work on the cross has created “one new man” and eliminated this segregation of Jews and Greek see Eph. 2:11-15.

Another is the definition surrounding the saints/church/elect.  The church as described in the book of Revelation includes those who are not all heaven bound.   It is much like the church today.  It includes the hot, and the cold, and the lukewarm.  Includes those who overcome and those who do not. The parable of the sower also describes the church… the fertile soil (hot), those who love their “stuff” (weedy soil/lukewarm), those who have no heart for tribulation and persecution (stony soil/lukewarm), and those who go, just because their spouse or parents drag them to church (hardened path/cold).   Only the fertile soil is rapture material.  Only those who overcome are rapture material (Rev. 3:5).  The lukewarm of the church or those who do not overcome in the church, are vomited out of God’s mouth, and their name is blotted out of the book of life… Rev. 3:5, 16.  So here it is very clear, that the church itself is not raptured, but rather the only ones who are gathered together with Him are the saints or elect.  Which are fertile soil.  The church is no different than that of the 10 virgins found in Matt. 25.  All were earnestly awaiting the bridegroom, however only half made it to the party.  The other half were told “depart from me, I never knew you.”  That is very direct message, because if they weren’t invited into the heaven, then where are they to go?  The answer is Hell.  There are some who believe in second chances, but that is entirely speculative.

There are several problems with eliminating certain passages of the Word in an attempt to state that the passage is for a certain group.  First of all the passage must state that it is specifically speaking to a particular group, as it does when designating and isolating certain groups.   This passage does not.  Therefore, if one believes this passage is not for them, but points the finger at another, the door to pick and choose which Scripture is right for them is blown wide open.

For instance, if Matt. 24 is isolated for the Jews, what about the book of Acts?  In Act 1:9-12  the disciples see Jesus ascend into the clouds to heaven.  They are then told by heavenly beings, “this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”  This order of events is described in Matt. 24:29-31.  in Acts Jesus departs from the Mount of Olives, to the clouds, to heaven.  If He returns in like manner, then it is… heaven, clouds, Mount of Olives.  This does not describe a rapture event of heaven… clouds… heaven…. clouds…. Mount of Olives as the rapture doctrine teaches, but rather it describes the order that Jesus taught in Matt. 24:29-31.  If therefore Matt. 24 is for the Jews only, then Acts 1, must also be for the Jews only.  And if Acts 1 is for the Jews only… why stop there…. why not the whole book of Acts being Jews only.   What an absurd idea!

The pretrib doctrine teaches that Matt. 24 is for the Jews only, because they falsely believe that the time of Jacob’s trouble is the 7 year great tribulation at the time of the end.  The time of Jacob’s trouble has come and gone… it was between 70 AD and 1948 AD know as the Jewish diaspora.   Jer. 30:8 speaks of Jacob’s trouble, but Jer. 30, 31 is a TWO chapter prophesy that describes this time in which Israel is scattered to the ends of the earth and then gathered again (Jer. 31:8), not the time which is yet to come.  Approx. 12 million Jews were killed during the Jewish diaspora… 3 Million on the onset… to 6 by 164 AD when Jerusalem was eliminated of Jews and was “trodden down of the gentiles” Luke 21:24…. fulfilling the time of the gentiles.  Hitler killed a final 6 million Jews at the end of the diaspora.  This is indeed the worse time ever for Israel.   For more on this topic, see my previous post:


Answers to when the Rapture happens.

Two people were walking down the street discussing their plans for the following week.  One person tells the other that he intends on going golfing on Tuesday.  The other person asked back, “Is that the first Tuesday of the week or the second?”  Confused the first person inquires, “What do you mean, there is only one Tuesday in a week?”  The second responds, “Well the first Tuesday, we call the Rapture, and the second is the ‘Second Coming’.”  The first responds, “That sounds pretty messed up to me.”  The second continues,  “The first is the ‘day of Christ’, and the second is the “day of the Lord.”  The first responds, “Didn’t you know?  Christ is the Lord!”  The second continues, “The first Tuesday Christ meets His people in the air (1 Thess. 4:17), but the second He meets them in the clouds (Matt. 24:30).”  The first declares, “That sounds twisted to me!”

You’ve heard of the war tactic, ‘divide and conquer’?  Here the enemy of our faith has attempted to divide the coming of our Lord as well.  The term “rapture” was first coined for this very purpose.   Prior to the 1800’s the term “rapture” to describe the coming of Christ was non-existent.  It was first made popular in John Darby’s book called, The Secret Rapture.   Today, the term to describe the coming of our Lord is commonly referred to as the “rapture,” however, the coming of Christ that is commonly referred to by this term, “rapture,” is conjured up and there is not a single Scripture to back its existence.

Here is what the Word of the Lord states:

  • 1 Corinthians 15:51-54  Behold, I tell you a mystery:  We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed–  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.  For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.  For this corruptible must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on imortality.  So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on imortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

So often this verse, we are told by man, is talking about the “rapture,” however, the context and the Word of God call it “the resurrection of the dead.”

  • 1 Corinthians 15:42  So also is the resurrection of the dead.  The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.

In this chapter (1 Cor. 15) it begins speaking of the return of Christ in verse 24.

Although the ‘resurrection of the dead’ is a different event than the ‘gathering together with Him,’ that many now refer to as the “rapture,”  the events happen at the same time, “In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.” see 1 Cor. 15:51,52

The rapture doctrine attempts to create two “first resurrections” the first being at the “rapture” and then again 7 years later at the “second coming.”  By doing so this doctrine adds to the book of Revelation ignoring its warning in Rev. 22:18:

  • For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book:  If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book.

Here’s what the book of Revelation has to say about the “first resurrection:”

  • Revelation 20:4-5  And I saw thrones, and they sat on them  and judgment was committed to them.  Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshipped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.  And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.  But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.  This is the first resurrection. 

Who is listed in the group of people for the first resurrection?  Those who didn’t receive the Mark of the Beast or worship him.  The ‘rapture doctrine’ informs us that the Scripture is incorrect… that the rapture is the first resurrection and that those who don’t take the mark are in the second resurrection.  The Word of God doesn’t lie… man does when he listens to the father of lies.  The ‘rapture doctrine’ is a doctrine of devils.  Just like there is only one ‘Tuesday; in the week… there also is only one ‘first resurrection’ of the dead.


This Generation will not pass away…

The understanding on which generation Jesus is speaking about brings about much heated debates in Matt. 24:34.  The reality is that the context and word ‘generation’ throws the entire meaning out of wack.  The original is not speaking of a generation as we understand in the English language, but rather the “Household of the faith.”

In the Messianic translation of the Scriptures called the Cepher, published by the Cepher Publishing Group translates Matt. 24:34 as:

Amein I say unto you, This tribe shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

I wrote the Cepher Publishing Group and inquired how they came up with the word tribe.  they responded:

  • Doing our research on this verse, we took a close look at the word in its context.  The Greek Word here in the text is ‘ghen-eh-ah’. One of its meanings is ‘generation’ however the word also means “nation” as in a sense of ‘a people’ or ‘tribe’.
  • Looking further at the Aramaic text of the Peshitta (AD 164), the word used in thes context is ‘sharbata’ which means tribe.  And in this context it is the ‘Yisra’el of YAHUAH’ or his ‘Household of the faith’ that will not pass away.
  • With this evidence before us, we believe that the word ‘tribe’ is a better translation than ‘generation’.

With this in mind we can come to the logical conclusion that Jesus was indeed informing us that the nation of Israel would not pass away until all these things came to pass.  We understand because of history many came to the conclusion that Israel had indeed passed away.  The Emperor of Rome made the final push to expel all the Jews out of Jerusalem in 132 AD, and Israel appeared to be non-existent until 1948 when she again became a nation.  She was trodden down by the gentiles up until that time of the gentiles being fulfilled.

  • Luke 21:24  And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.  KJV


Christians shouldn’t be debating…

One of the big arguments that the pre-trib doctrine promoters use to inform us that their doctrine cannot be debated is the idea that Christians aren’t suppose to debate.  As a result, those who wish to believe certain doctrines hide behind this argument to shut others up who attempt to dispute it.

I find it interesting that Paul went daily to the temple to dispute the false doctrines.  Acts 19:8 “And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.”

In this blog I have disputed the false doctrines of the pre-trib belief.  I find it interesting that from the thousands of visitors no one who believes in the pre-trib belief has disputed any of the foundational issues addressed.  That’s okay, and I’m not surprised, the Scripture makes it clear that God Himself puts a strong delusion over those who do not love the truth…. 2 Thess. 2:12. To actually dive into the Scriptures and discover what God is saying vs. man rightly divides the Scriptures.  The pre-trib doctrine is a work of man, that is promoted by man and not a single verse in Scripture actually supports it without massive manipulation by man.

Today, I’m addressing one of the major issues I’ve come across concerning why the fact that the pre-trib doctrine remains hidden by the devil as one of his own doctrines.  That is, he uses the argument that Christians aren’t suppose to debate, therefore  the pre-trib doctrine remains unquestioned in it’s authority.

The Bible Clearly States that 1 Cor. 15:51,52 is not about the Rapture

In 2 Peter 3:10, Peter tells us that at the second coming of Christ, the heavens will be destroyed:

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up

Job 14:12 tells us that the dead will not rise again until the heavens are destroyed:

So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep

1 Cor. 15:51-54 tells us what happens when people rise up from being dead and the resurrection comes:

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.   For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

The pretrib doctrine attempts to tell us contrary to the Word of God that people will rise up from death and that a rapture happens prior to the heavens being destroyed.  That is contrary to the Word.

Jesus tells us that no man knows the day or the hour of when the heavens are destroyed… not a “rapture!”  Matt. 24:35,36:

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

The pretrib doctrine consistently tells us that no man knows the day or the hour of the rapture.  That is purposeful misrepresentation of the Word of God.  Jesus defines the unknown, and the unknown is when the heavens are destroyed that no man knows the day or the hour.  Peter informs us that this time of the heavens being destroyed is the second coming.

The idea of a multiple return of Christ such as the idea of a pretrib rapture is conjured out of thin air, and the concept does not exist in the Word of God.

Understanding Harpazo. Is it the Rapture?

The Greek word harpazo is use used 13 times in the New Testament:

Matthew 11:12: “suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Matthew 13:19: “
the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart.
John 6:15: “
they would come and take him by force, to make him
John 10:12: “and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the
John 10:28: “
they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them
John 10:29: “
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
Acts 8:39: “
water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch
Acts 23:10: “
the soldiers to go down, and to take him by force from among them,”
2 Corinthians 12:2: “
I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such a one caught up to the third
2 Corinthians 12:4: “
How that he was caught up into paradise,”
1 Thessalonians 4:17: “
we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in
Jude 1:23:
“save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating
Revelation 12:5: “
and her child was caught up unto God, and to his

metetheken is the Greek word used to describe Enoch being taken up / translated to heaven in Heb. 11:5 “By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God”

The word rapture was first used to describe the coming of Christ in the 1850’s when John Darby wrote his book, “The Secret Rapture.”  Prior to that the word ‘rapture’ was unknown for the purpose of the return of Christ.

The word ‘rapture’ isn’t in the Bible, however the Greek word that many claim is the word for ‘rapture’ is ‘harpazo.’   Harpazo has several different contexts and meanings as can be seen in the thirteen verses listed above.  Although there are many verses using the word harpazo, only one verse of these is given the modern ‘rapture’ meaning.  This claim is a result of John Darby’s writings in his book, “The Secret Rapture.”

I’m not stating that the doctrine of multiple returns of Christ wasn’t suggested prior to Darby.  What I’m stating is that the word ‘rapture’ wasn’t used to describe the return of Christ prior to John Darby coining it in the 1800’s.  Darby needed a word to separate the return of Christ into multiple returns.  As a result, he coined the word “rapture” to differentiate between the multiple returns. From that day a large percentage of the church is now awaiting the “rapture” rather than the “second coming.”

Did Darby conjure up another return?  If there is multiple returns then there also must be a separation between the descriptions of them.  There can only be one element of surprise…  “Like a thief…” or, “of that day, no man knows the day or the hour…” can only fall on the first return.  The first return would announce the second, especially if there were a set time frame, such as seven years, between them.   However, ALL of the elements of surprise fall on the second coming.   “of that day, no man knows the day or the hour…” Which day?  The one described in the previous verse (Matt. 24:35,36) where heaven and earth are destroyed.  Peter describes this event at the second coming in 2 Peter 3:10.  So no man knows the day or the hour of the second coming.   Jesus states that He is still coming as a thief… for the second coming… 2 Peter 3:10, Rev. 16:15.

The Bible indicates a Precise Timing for the Rapture

Jesus states in Rev. 22:12, “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” Paul states this as well in 2 Tim. 4:1. The significance of this statement regarding timing is the fact that Jesus tells us that at the time of His coming He simultaneously rewards, both the righteous and the wicked. So this give a clue to the puzzle. All a person has to do is discover at what point Jesus does precisely that…. Rewards. Rev. 11:18 tells us that at this point in time Jesus does exactly that, “And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth” This event happens at the time of the seventh trumpet of Revelations…Rev. 11:15-19.
Although the Bible tells us that no man knows the day or the hour… Matt. 24:36 and that Jesus will come as a thief in the night…Matt. 24:42,43, 2 Thess. 5:2, 2 Peter 3:10, Rev. 16:15. The Scripture also gives a very big clue and tells us when. In 1 Cor. 15:51,52 Paul tells us that it is “at the last trumpet”
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed
Often this fact doesn’t fit several doctrines so those who believe those doctrines immediately dismiss this fact. As a result they conjure up ideas that there are several “last trumps” in the Word.  However, Rev. 10:7 and 1 Cor. 15:52 are the only two verses in Scripture that discuss the revealed mystery at the last trumpet. Take a look at Rev. 10:5-7
[5] And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven
[6] And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
[7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Now lets take the actual event of the last trumpet: Rev. 11
[15] And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
[16] And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
[17] Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
[18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
[19] And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail
Take a look at some of the list of happens at the last trumpet..
1) Time is no more…. Rev. 10:6
2) The kingdoms of the world are become the kingdoms of Christ… Rev. 11:15
3) Christ rules forevermore… Rev. 11:15
4) Not only does Christ have the power…. He uses it… He HAS reigned at this moment in time/7th trumpet! Rev. 11:17
5) God pours out His wrath on the dead… Rev.11:18
6) He rewards His people (see list)… Rev. 11:18
7) People can no longer destroy the earth… Rev. 11:18
8) The rapture…. at the last trumpet…. 1 Cor 15:52
9) The mystery of God is finished… Rev. 10:6
Notice that Christ rewards His people… Point number 6…. At this point the reward is given out
Rev. 22:12
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be
Rev. 22:12 implies that the reward is handed out at the time of His return.
Could the fact that God wrath is poured out on the dead mean anything different than putting them into an eternal Hell?
2 Tim. 4:1 states, “I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom”

Digging still deeper into the Word. Rev 10 tells us that John eats the scroll or little book that gives him a bitter stomach. Is this not the climax of the chapter? This brings about the result of God giving him another word to release to the people… Rev. 10:11
[11] And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings
John wrote the Book of Revelation in his 90s if he were relatively the same age as Jesus. Some say it was written in 92 Ad others 95 during his exile to the island of Patmos when he recorded it. It is believed that he was released and lived the remainder of his days in Ephesus where he completed the finished copies of Revelation and John.
So the question is when did he prophesy AGAIN. John isn’t known historically as a prophet. He is known as John the revelator because of the book of Revelations.
The obvious conclusion is that the seventh trumpet is the END of the first prophesy. The angel had declared that “time is no longer” at the last trumpet just prior to giving John the little book, You simply cannot have the big long list of accomplished events such as Christ ruling and reigning forevermore and then events in the next prophesy such as the antichrist reigning a couple of chapters later and think that the events are sequential. The fact is that the first prophesy is finished at the 7th trumpet, and John is about to prophesy again.
In Rev. 12 the second prophesy begins and it is sequential through chapter 16. Note the absence of any angel leading John through this passage. The absence would give opportunity for the presentation of the little book’s second prophesy. Chapter 17 and 18 are explanatory chapters of that prophesy where the angel returns to explain them.
There must be two prophesies, because that would be the only way for the angel to swear correctly, and for Christ to rule and reign forevermore. The the second prophesy is complementary of the first. Therefore the trumpets and the vials/bowls are one in the same. Note the announcement of the Rapture right before the 7the vial/bowl….
Rev. 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame
Here again we have doctrines that dismiss this verse or tell us it is misplaced, but is it? If the trumpets and the bowls are one in the same, this placement of this verse absolutely complements the fact that Jesus comes at the last (7th) trumpet