The Post-Tribulation View I Follow

Post Tribulation Timeline
By Randy Roth

Part 1: Historical overview
I will focus on the post-tribulation rapture view that I believe. In some foundational issues, I must mention other views to provide the proper foundation by addressing preconceived ideas and prominent mindsets that are prominent today. These ideas do not line up with the view I am presenting and must be addressed for contrast.
Although the post-tribulation doctrine is a study of eschatology, it is important to understand history to lay the groundwork for rightly dividing the Word of God.
The 70 AD event of Titus destroying the temple in Jerusalem is mentioned by Jesus and the disciples in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21) and often this event provides mixture in many views between past and future events. I will start with defining history and by drawing a line between history and future events. Although at the time when Jesus spoke the Olivet Discourse it was all futuristic. The event of the destruction of the temple has now become ancient history. It occurred in 70 AD. Today a portion of the retaining wall that surrounded the temple remains known as the “Wailing Wall,” but the temple itself has be totally dismantled.
Matt.24 KJV
[1] And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
[2] And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be?…
Mark.13 KJV
[1] And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
[2] And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[3] And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
[4] Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
Luke.21 KJV
[5] And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
[6] As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
[7] And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
Daniel’s 70th week, Daniel 9:27
NKJV
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”
KJV
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate
In 66 AD the Roman Titus made a covenant with the Roman Empire to squelch the Jewish uprising that had begun. After a three and a half year conquest he succeeded in 70 AD. It was not what he intended during the conquest for the temple in Jerusalem to catch fire and be burnt. The temple was full of golden vessels and articles that were hoped to be taken as trophies. However, the fire burned so hot that the gold in the temple melted and seeped through the stones. Later gold seekers removed every stone to obtain the gold. This event in history fulfills Matthew 24:2, Mark 13:2, Luke 21:6 as well as Daniel 9:27 completely. As a result the daily sacrifices were ended and have been ended for nearly 2000 years. Daniel 9:27; The verse says that he shall confirm a covenant with many…, The word “many” is an unknown, therefore it would highly unlikely be Israel, because it would have stated Israel, or Glorious Land, rather than the unknown of: “with many.” The fulfillment of this verse is; Titus made a covenant with the Roman Empire to squelch the Jewish uprising, it took him 3.5 years to complete. At the time of completion the daily sacrifices were ended, and the temple and Jerusalem was made desolate… Daniel 9:27 is fulfilled. Often Daniel 9:27 is considered “Daniel’s 70th week” by other views and attempts to confine this period of time to the futuristic great tribulation. This would give this event a nearly 2000 +/- mysterious gap in years between 70th and the 69th week. It also confines the tribulation to a seven year period. Without this interpretation the great tribulation no longer fits into a 7 year timeframe. The view I’m presenting shows this event has past history rather than futuristic. This event can now be seen as historically fulfilled. The post-trib view I’m presenting does not confine the great tribulation period to a seven year event. The recognition of this past event removes a seven year time frame on the great tribulation period, because it is this event that the other views pivot this time period as seven years.
Matt. 24 as well as Mark 13,and Luke 21, starts out by the people pointing out the splendor of the architecture of the temple in Jerusalem. Jesus responds what appears to have shock value, by telling the disciples that it would be destroyed and not one stone left upon another. The disciples then asked, “When will these things be…” At this point we must understand that Jesus either ignored the disciples question concerning the time of the destruction of the temple or that He answered them. Mark and Luke does not focus on any other secondary questions, but the question focuses rather upon the time of the destruction of the temple. In Matthew, however, the questions continues concerning the time of the end of the age. Obviously there is a need to focus upon the time of 70 AD, rather than the time of the end as many people do. I will give evidence that Jesus addresses their question surrounding the time of the destruction of the temple, but first I will show evidence through another ancient prophesy…

Time of Jacob’s trouble
We know that when the Messiah returns that Jerusalem will be occupied by Jews. Zech 14:1-5 tells us that half of Jerusalem will be in captivity, but that the other half will be occupied by Jews when He returns.
Zech.14
[1] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
[2] For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
[3] Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
[4] And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
[5] And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee
In Jeremiah chapters 30 and 31 there is a prophesy that tells of a period of the time of Jacob’s trouble. Jacob’s name was changed to Israel, so it is understood that this time is referring to Israel. This phrase “Jacob’s trouble” is mentioned once in the Word of God in chapter 30:7
[7] Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
In contrast to the view I am presenting, the mainstream belief of many is that this period is the time of the great tribulation. That basic belief is that this time of Jacob’s trouble is a futuristic seven year period of time that for the first three and a half years there is relative peace. The Jewish temple in Jerusalem must be rebuilt before or during this time in which the daily sacrifices are re-established then ended at the end of the 3.5 years marking the middle of the great tribulation (Dan. 9:27). Israel must then be scattered to the ends of the Earth in the second three and a half years, fulfilling this time of Jacob’s trouble (Jer. 30:10,11), then be re-gathered (Jer. 31:8). After which to fulfill Zech 14, half of Jerusalem must then be brought into captivity for the timing of the second coming of Christ. That would indeed be a very eventful three and a half year period of time. The Scripture also states of this time that it would be the worst time ever in Israel’s history. Often those who quote the time of Jacob’s Trouble do so out of rote and haven’t taken the time to actually study the rest of prophesy. As a result they often do not have a clue that it is speaking of a time of scattering of Israel to the ends of the Earth. What makes since to them is the part that states, “that day is great, so that none is like it.” This “worst time ever” event for Israel is listed several other places in Scripture, and I will address them later.
Israel has had some very extensive destructive historical events in the past. What does it take for an event(s) to be considered the worst case scenario for Israel? Does the death toll signify the worst case scenario? Is it more based on a persecution and hatred? Is it a matter of duration? In my opinion, it would appear that the death toll, the devastation, and people running from their homes for their lives would be the greatest indicator. The worst case for Israel’s history started prior to 70 AD and lasted over 1800 years when she was again gathered and became a nation in 1948. They indeed fled for their lives as Jesus prophesied, “pray that your plight is not in winter…” It must be something to have to run from you homes that you love and have offered you shelter all of your lives, just to have to start completely over. That must be some serious fear that causes people to pull up from their roots and escape to the ends of the Earth, having to learn new cultures, farming practices, and climates.
It is important that the context of the rest of the details surrounding this prophesy in Jeremiah 30, 31 is addressed, otherwise the temptation for assumptions is there. The main assumption being that the worst time ever for Israel and the great tribulation are on in the same. The time of “Jacob’s trouble” is defined as the ‘worst time ever’ for the history of Israel…. Jer. 30:7. As a result of this time Israel is scattered…Jer. 30:10,11. The rest of the chapter describes this scattering. Israel is then gathered from the ends of the Earth… Jer. 31:8. This scattering is significant. Historically Israel has had a major scattering to the ends of the Earth. This scattering happened after Jeremiah’s prophesy and after Jesus prophesy of the worst time ever of Israel (Matt.24:15-21). This time really took off in 70 AD with the decimation of Jerusalem and the temple and the squelching of the Jewish uprising throughout Israel. Many were taken to Rome as slaves scattering them throughout the Roman Empire. By 162 AD through more conquests by other Roman leaders Jerusalem was considered Jew free and Israel was scattered to the ends of the Earth. Isaiah mentioned this scattering and tells us that once she is gathered she will never be scattered again.
From: http://focusonjerusalem.com/questions31.html There is not to my knowledge any scripture that can be quoted exactly verbatim as saying there are only two scatterings. However, I do believe in all earnest that the scripture of Isaiah 11:11 does specifically lend itself to the reality that there are only two scatterings of Israel. (Isaiah 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.) This prophecy definitely indicates that the second time the Lord moves to gather a remnant of Israel, that His kingdom will be at hand. Amos 9:15, Jeremiah 24:6, and Ezekiel 34:28, 37:25 all further indicate that the second recovery signals the final recovery, and that it is a permanent return leading into the Millennial Kingdom. (Jeremiah 24:6-7 For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up. And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.) (Amos 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.) (I Chronicles 17:9 also)
This period of time of scattering is called the Diaspora. It is a dispersing of the Jews to the nations. 3 to 6 million Jews were killed or displaced (scattered) at the beginning of this time, and another 6 million were killed at the time of gathering, by the Nazis. I do not know the population of the Jews at either of these times, but I believe it is likely that over half were killed at the commencement and over half of the Jews were killed by the Nazis. Today’s population of Jews is believed to be around 13 million. Over the two generations, beginning and end, of the Diaspora it could be speculated that over 100 percent of the total population were killed if you add the 50+ percent death tolls at both ends of these eras. If the death toll is significant to the worst time ever for Israel, then this marks the “worst time ever” of Israel.
The duration of this time started prior to 70 AD and in 1948 the scattering era ended with the formation of Israel restored as a nation and the gathering period began. If duration is significant to the understanding of the worst case scenario then this is the era. In contrast of other views, a period of time less than 3 and a half years would not even come close concerning duration. There has always been a hatred of the Jews worldwide. Today it does seem to be building, however hatred leads to killing and so the death toll would seem to also be significant in this understanding of ‘worst case scenario’ for Israel as well.
Let us contrast that with the time of Messiah’s return… Zech 14:1-4.
Zech.14
[1] Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
[2] For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
[3] Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
[4] And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Here we see that Jerusalem is occupied by Jews. Yes half of the city may be in captivity, but not scattered. For these reasons listed the time of “Jacob’s trouble” cannot be the futuristic great tribulation. The time of scattering is over and they are now in process of being gathered. The time of “Jacob’s trouble” being the great tribulation is a false assumption. Israel’s future is brighter than her past. Amos 9:8-15 tells us that Israel will never be scattered again.
Worst time ever
Daniel 12:1 also mentions a “worst time ever.” However, in this passage it does not specify that this is specific for Israel unless you understand the context. The verse starts out, “at that time…” Which time?
[1] And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book
The time just specified in Daniel 11. So a study of Daniel 11 is in order to understand and pinpoint the “worst time ever.” Daniel 11 is a prophesy from the time of the king of Persia to the time of the Roman Empire. The prophesy today reads like a history book naming all the kings and their different nuances. It ends describing the Roman Empire which was vast and included the Glorious Land (Israel), but did not include Edom, Moab, and Ammon… Daniel 11:41,42. So here we also see the timing of the “worst time ever” was indeed at the time of the Roman Empire, so we also understand that although this Scripture does not specify for Israel, we know that it is one in the same with the time of Jacob’s trouble. “At that time” is the time of the occupation of the Roman Empire over Israel and the “worst case scenario” for Israel commences “at that time.”
Jesus speaks of the worst time ever
There are four references to the ‘worst time ever for Israel. The time of Jacob’s trouble marks the first. Daniel mentions the second. Joel 2 mentions the third. Jesus addresses the fourth in answering the disciples question concerning the time that ‘not one stone will be left upon another…” Matt. 24:15-21. He tells of the “worst time ever” for Israel (vs.21), and of the ‘abomination of desolation’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet… let the reader understand… (vs. 15).
Matt. 24
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
[16] Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
[17] Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
[18] Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
[19] And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
[20] But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be
Why are we told, ‘let the reader understand?’ Unfortunately, today people rely upon their pride and think it is because we are smart discerning readers, or they are just left wondering about this odd statement. When Jesus made reference to this, the Jews were well aware of the abomination of desolation that occurred more than two decades earlier in 167 B.C. Under the conquest of a Roman ruler Antiochus Epiphanies, an alter to Zeus was built over the alter of God in the temple and a pig was sacrificed upon that alter in the temple. The fact that the gentiles went into the inner courts where they was not permitted was the abominable act, the pig being sacrificed was the desolation. The abominable act was, standing in the holy place (see Matt. 24:15). It was not declaring himself to be god or the like, but merely being where he was not allowed. This historical event is little known today, however it was well known by the readers/Jews that Jesus was addressing and Matthew was writing. So when Titus armies entered the inner courts where it was an abomination for them to be, the Jews understood completely what Jesus had spoken. The desolation of the temple was complete with not one stone being left upon another.
The event of the abomination of desolation is also ancient history. John who penned the book of Revelation in 96 AD after this event of the abomination of desolation never mentions it as a future event. The anti-Christ is mentioned, however, and many confuse the two. They are separate individuals and need to be recognized as such.
So in conclusion we see here that ancient history consists of, the time of Jacob’s trouble, the abomination of desolation, and the seventh week in Daniel. This evidence of the fulfillment of these events should be plain to see for all those who have different views. The fact that the daily sacrifices have ended for nearly 2000 years should be a wake-up call for anyone attempting to suggest otherwise. Why is it not? Many views need to create a separation between the Jewish program and the church. The post-tribulation view maintains that we are one body in Christ Jesus, and that the walls of separation between Jew and gentile have come down… Eph 2:11-15.
Ephesians 2
[11] Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
As a result the church includes all believers no matter the nationality, Jew or gentile. When Jesus addresses His people, He is addressing those who believe in Him. The terminology for Christian is not coined until the middle of the book of Acts. Prior to that time they were considered, elect, saints, or believers.
There is a lot more to be stated concerning history that has already occurred, however the foundation has been laid. The study of eschatology is not a study of the past, however it is necessary to address it in order to define the past events that some views teach as futuristic. I shouldn’t have to address it at all, but some of these teaching are so well excepted that most don’t bother checking them for validity Once we can rightly divide the past as the past, we can move on to future events without those stumbling blocks in the way. For this reason it is difficult to just simply give a timeline for the post tribulation view, because of all the clutter of the other views. The timeline is so simple… Jesus comes at the end.
Part two: understanding the message of salvation
In light of the context of eschatology Peter tells us that those who don’t get it correct “twist the scriptures as they always do…” 2 Peter 3:16. I point this Scripture out, not to show that there is only one correct view, but rather to emphasize that Peter is telling us how important it is pertaining to the whole of the Word. Anybody can tell us that their view is correct, point at this Scripture and then proceed to accuse the other views of twisting Scripture. Peter is pointing out the significance of the importance of getting it correct and the correlation between correct with the whole of Scriptures. The foundational message of salvation is what is at stake concerning the study of eschatology.
It is often stated that it doesn’t matter who is correct. Really? If Jesus tells us the way, and man tells us another way then who are you going to listen to? It absolutely matters that you get the message of salvation correct! Being “right” will truly matter for eternity. Man loves to believe what they WANT to believe. When these mindsets is messed with or questioned, strong emotions are stirred. These strong emotions are what got Jesus sent to the cross. It the same way persecution and accusations of hate crimes are instigated. This particular rub is the worst crime politically and can quickly dissolve political careers. The message of salvation is foundational in the Christian church. However, the message today is not the same one that Jesus taught.
The message on what we must do be saved becomes absolutely paramount and how you view the message of salvation directly correlates to which view of eschatology you can personally accept.
Quote from someone on the internet with the user name…EPH389, “If you meet a person who denies the pre-tribulational rapture of the Body of Christ, odds are you’re looking at a person who either (1) believes salvation depends to some degree upon their own good works, either to gain, maintain or prove their salvation, or (2) believes if they don’t persevere through at least some degree of God’s wrath, they’ll be revealed to be false and will be cast into the Lake of Fire. They may never admit it in those words but I have yet to meet a pre-trib rapture denier whose beliefs about salvation don’t boil down to one or both of those points.”
Another writes, “I have a question? Are you married? If you are, l tend to believe that you did not took your bride first to a big tribulation to prove her fidelity toward you. This for sure you took your future wife to a wedding and after to a nice place for honeymoon and a nice house Why do you want me to believe that Our Lord Jesus ,The Real Groom ,The Lord Jesus Christ leave his Bride ,a Eclesia -Church from time of Grace, His Body whose Head He is, to leave in the worst time of Biblical history THE TRIBULATION ”?just for the sake of cleaning of sins ?The Blood of Jesus Christ shed on the cross is not enough for redeeming HIS BRIDE? What place from Scripture support this cruelty prepared for HIS BRIDE? I am speaking about THE BIG TRIBULATION which will come over all earth after the RAPTURE, not about many trials and sufferings we all Christians have together with a lot of blessings”
Both of the statements come from people who carry a pre-tribulation rapture view, and both of these statements and questions stem out of a foundational view concerning salvation. The view is that we are in an “age of grace.” The message of salvation is that we are saved by grace and not by works. This is very true, however there is confusion surrounding “works.” First I will attempt to define what works are. If we “receive” or “believe” is that a work? Both these words are verbs and not nouns, making them action words. Most assume that these actions are not works!” The assumption is, although believing and receiving is an action verb which requires action, this action that is required for salvation, it is not considered a work. Although, many perceive that they are not a “work”, the fact remains that they are. These works of believing and receiving are indeed necessary for salvation, but they are not what saves us. Faith however, is not a work, but a gift. We are saved by grace, through faith. Grace is the ability to receive and believe, without grace the blinders remain over our eyes. Faith is the gift given to us in order to do the work. Without it we could not complete the actions (works) necessary to be saved. Faith without works is dead. “Show me our faith by our works”…James. IF YOU DIDN’T PAY ATTENTION TO THIS CONCEPT OF WORKS VERSES FAITH YOU NEED TO REREAD UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND.
The confusion continues because of a false understanding of grace. Grace is what empowers us to do the works. Without it we cannot move forward. Grace is not God turning a blind eye to sin as many suppose. Study the Scriptures concerning it. You will find that where grace is… sin is absent. Sin is absent, because it is overcome, not because it is ignored or the sin is smoothed over.
As a result of the mindset that we are not saved by works, many believe that works are unnecessary and not part of the picture. This is not correct at all. Grace empowers us to have the faith necessary to do the works. Faith without works is dead…James 2.
The message of salvation
Jesus who is the author of salvation, gave the message of salvation many times. Sometimes in parables like the Treasure in the field, The Ten Virgins, The Sheep and the Goats, or the Pearl of Great Price. They always presented the cost of salvation. When the ‘Rich Young Ruler’ asked Jesus, “What must I do to be saved?” Jesus laid down the cost, “Sell everything that you have and come follow me.” The fellow went away sorrowful because he had great wealth and couldn’t bring himself to do it. The disciples then asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus responded, “With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” The rich young ruler believed and received Jesus words. We know that because he went away sorrowful. What lacked was the gift of empowerment of faith through grace to enact the work of salvation. For this reason the concept of the “sinner’s prayer” is very lacking, and ineffective. Although it is a tool that is often used to introduce salvation it often is rendered ineffective because the element of cost is eliminated from the equation. It is true that many evangelists in Jesus shoes would have had the Rich Young Ruler repeating after them in a “sinner’s prayer. “ Jesus, who is the author of salvation, did not. Rather He preached cost to him instead. Today man’s method is preferred, leaving God out of it.
One of the parables that Jesus gave concerning salvation was the Parable of the Sower:
Mark 4
[3] Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:
[4] And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.
[5] And some fell on stony ground, where it had not much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth of earth:
[6] But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because it had no root, it withered away.
[7] And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit.
[8] And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty, and some an hundred.
[9] And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
[10] And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
[11] And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
[12] That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
[13] And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
[14] The sower soweth the word.
[15] And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
[16] And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
[17] And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word’s sake, immediately they are offended.
[18] And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
[19] And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
[20] And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred
This particular parable is very important concerning the mindset concerning the study of eschatology. Jesus tells us that those who are unprepared for tribulation and persecution will “immediately stumble”… Mark 4:18. So the post-tribulation rapture position considers the view of when the rapture takes place as salvific in nature. In other words salvation could hinge upon your view. We have seen this to be true in the last century with the falling of the ‘Red Curtain’ in China. Prior to the tribulation and persecution the Chinese church leaders widely taught a view to their people that they would be raptured out of tribulation positioning them in a place of not counting the cost. When tribulation and persecution hit them they saw their people “immediately stumble” as Jesus foretold in the parable of the sower. Rick Joiner recorded this interview with the church leaders in his book The Harvest. The leaders showed great remorse that they had ever taught the view and wished rather that they had prepared them for tribulation and persecution that is promised in the Word for God’s people… John 16:33, 2 Tim 3:12. The prophet Neville Johnson also gives this same scenario concerning the history in China, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl1Vn2qgjQ8.
Persecution and tribulation are key parts of the Christian walk. Jesus tells us that we are indeed assigned to tribulation, John 16:33, “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world”, and Timothy tells us (2 Tim.3:12), “Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.” We are told to take communion often in remembrance of Christ. What are we to remember? The brokenness of His body the blood that was spilled. The very nature of why it is called communion is the fact that we are to do likewise. This is not the Groom beating up on the bride, but rather an invitation to partake in the activity necessary to bring in the rest of those yet to believe. Without persecution and tribulation, the message is not preached, because there is no confrontation. You cannot be rejected as Jesus declares that we will be for His sake, if you are not presenting a message that brings about rejection. If you are not presenting the message, then what are you doing? The answer is pleasing yourself. You simply cannot have it both ways. God designed it that way.
If God asked for a martyr would you raise your hand to volunteer? I suggest that the mindset of willingly and wanting to volunteer for the purposes of God defines a ready bride. Without this mindset the bride has not made herself ready. The ideas of what makes a ready bride of Christ are very narrow minded in today’s current church. They are very contrary to God’s ideals and full of compromise.
The Great Apostasy
Paul tells us that the rapture is not imminent. In 2 Thess 2:1-3 he informs us that two things must happen first. One the anti-christ must be revealed, and two, there must be a great falling away from the faith. It can be argued that only one of these points is what happens first. Okay, I won’t argue and give you that point if it’s important to you. The point of focus here is that the “falling away” must happen first.
2Thes.2
[1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
[2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
The Greek word for “falling away” is ‘apostasia’ where we get the English ‘apostate’ or apostasy which means turning away from one’s faith. (There is a belief that this also means to “leave” and some grab a hold of that and to believe it to mean rapture.) Please be realistic, if that were the case, Paul would then be stating, we cannot be “gathered together unto Him” (rapture), unless the “falling away” (rapture) takes place first. Are you getting that? In other words, the rapture cannot happen unless the rapture has already happened. Plain and simple, this thinking is clearly an attempt to twist the Word to state something it does not.) The plain and obvious understanding of this Scripture is that there is going to be a great number of people turning from the faith. This is not difficult to understand, and there is no need to attempt to pull any hidden meaning out of this passage where it doesn’t exist. The hang up is that many believe that Christians cannot turn from their faith. However, Jesus discusses this exact issue in the parable of the sower (as also referenced above).
Mark.4
[14] The sower soweth the word.
[15] And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
[16] And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
[17] And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word’s sake, immediately they are offended.
[18] And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
[19] And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
[20] And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred
If Jesus tells us that the nature of the stony soil is to fall away when persecution hits, it is natural to understand that is what is coming to expose the stony soil of those who have not counted the cost and will “immediately stumble” (NKJV) as Jesus predicts. The Chinese history has shown when the red curtain fell that those who were not prepared for tribulation and persecution immediately turned from the faith.
Consider Peter’s words on how people will mock in the last days, from a post-tribulation view, “Where is the promise of His coming?” (2 Peter 3:4) If this mock were to take place after the great “falling away”, who would be those who mock it? Those who fell away and at one time actually believed what they are currently mocking. A post-tribber does not have this mindset to begin with, tribulation and persecution come first. If they believe that Jesus comes at the end, then the only ones who could be mocking this are those with the mindset that Jesus would return before the end. The obvious conclusion is that they were people who were unprepared for tribulation and persecution and when it came they became apostate, turning from their faith mocking others WITH THEIR PREVIOUS BELIEF, “Where is the promise of His coming?” Is the post-tribber moved by this taunt? No, they have counted the cost, and never considered His coming without tribulation. Do you see how the message of salvation correlates to how a person views the placement of the rapture? Salvation can actually hinge upon your view. If persecution and tribulation are not part of the equation for salvation then Jesus states that you are “stony soil” and not fertile. That’s God’s message of salvation, not man’s. God is the author and finisher of our faith. Who do you listen to?
We have been invited to partake in a salvation that has been exemplified by God Himself. We are told that there is a place in Hell for cowards…Rev. 21:8. If you do not live a message of salvation of laying down you life and taking up your cross daily, then you are living a doctrine of man and no of God. If you think that Jesus is beating up the bride by requiring tribulation and persecution from her, or that it is some type of work, then you do not understand the message of love. Greater love has no man than to lay down his life. We love Him because He first loved us. It is sad, but true that this message of love and sacrifice is not what is preached today, but rather a message of self-seeking and self-love in the church today. That will change when persecution and tribulation come. Then the true message will again become prominent.
Part three: A Post-Tribulation View
The post-tribulation view believes that the tribulation and God’s judgments are released upon the Earth prior to His return for His bride.
Schedule of Events
Historical
—33 AD Jesus Died and rose again
—70 AD destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem
—Includes the end of the daily sacrifices… Daniel 9:27
—Includes the abomination of desolation… Matt. 24:15
—the beginning of the “worst time ever” for Israel… Matt. 24:21, Jer. 30:7, Daniel 12:1
—162 AD Jerusalem is declared eradicated of Jews
—Marks the heart of the “worst time ever” for Israel
—1948 AD marks the end of the “worst time ever” for Israel and the gathering commences
—Israel is gathered… Jer. 31:8, Ezek. 20:34-38
—Israel will never be scattered again… Is.11:11,12, Amos 9:8
Happening Now
—Tribulation and “beginning of sorrows”… Matt. 24:7,8
Future
—5th seal martyrs and those persecuted for not taking the mark of the beast… Rev. 6:9,Rev. 13,14
—God’s judgments in the form of trumpets and bowls… Rev.8-11, Rev. 15,16
—Bride of Christ makes herself ready on earth… 1 Thess. 3:12,13
—Rapture/second coming Jesus coming in the clouds/meeting Him in the air/4 winds… 2 Thess 2:1,
Matt 24:29-31
—Jesus comes “as a thief…” 2 Peter 3:10, Rev. 16:15
—Jesus comes from heaven with all of the saints who have died, for the bride on Earth…
1 Thess.3:12,13
—dead are changed incorruptible, and the living (raptured) are changed for longer life…
1 Cor. 15:52, Is.65:20
(important to note that the raptured DO NOT go to heaven at this time, neither does Jesus)
—Jerusalem is occupied by Jews, but half are in captivity… Zech 14:1-3
—two men will be in a field, one will be taken and the other left…Matt. 24:40,41
—Jesus and all of His saints go with Him to the Mount of Olives… Zech 14:4,5
—the heavens are destroyed at His coming… 2 Peter 3:10, Matt. 24:35,36
—every island and mountains removed… Rev. 16:20
—There are still ungodly on earth… Matt. 24:40,41, Rev. 16:21
—Jesus rules and reigns forevermore/ 1000 yr reign of Christ
—The Lord creates a new heavens and new Earth… Is. 65:17
—saints will forever be with Jesus from now on… 1 Thess. 4:17
—martyred tribulation saints rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years… Rev. 20:4
—Christ remains on Earth with all the saints… raptured and those who previously died
—dead who will experience the second death/Hell… remain dead… Rev. 20:5,6
—At the end of the 1000 years those who were born during this time are tried and tempted
— Satan is released for a short time
—Jesus and the saints return to heaven to live in the dwelling places that those who previously died and
dwelt in lived, and those who were raptured get to see these dwelling places for the first time…
John 14:3

Overview
Making it through the great tribulation will not be easy. Many saints will lose their lives for the gospel. However, it is possible, Jesus tells us to, ”Pray always, that we may be counted worthy to escape all that is coming on the Earth…” Luke 21:36. John tells us of the church of Philadelphia fulfilled the contingency necessary to be kept from the hour of temptation… Rev.3:10. Psalm 91 also lays out the stipulations to escape it all. Jesus tells us that our lamps must be full if we are to go the distance. Many will not understand that it will seem that the bridegroom will tarry. Jesus tells us that half of those who will be waiting for His return will not have the oil in their lamps to make it until the end… Matt. 25.
When Jesus comes to rapture His saints, He meets them in the air. This comes immediately after the tribulation… Matt. 24:29-31. From this point on the bride of Christ is forever with the Lord. Jesus is on His way to the Mount of Olives… Zech 12:4,5. He is not headed back to heaven, but to Earth to rule and reign for 1000 years. Those who were raptured are changed. This change is NOT into glorified/incorruptible bodies. 1 Cor. 15:51,52 specifies that the dead get the incorruptible bodies, while the raptured are merely just changed. Isaiah shows us the nature of the change in Isaiah 65:20 where it tells us that someone who dies at a hundred would be considered a child. At no time is the raptured in heaven. Revelation 19 shows the dead in heaven who are raised first who are living in the dwelling places that Jesus went to prepare for them. However, the bride makes herself ready on earth as Paul lays out in 1 Thess. 3:12,13, for when Jesus returns with all of his saints for her. The “righteous acts of the saints” is the fine linen that clothes the bride in white raiment. These acts can only be accomplished on Earth, and therefore the bride can only become ready on Earth. In my opinion, accomplishing righteous acts in heaven is an absurd idea…. “Let me get you a glass of water… “, “Oh that’s right we neither hunger or thirst in heaven.” The true testing can only take place on Earth. Your choices are the results of the testing.
Part 4
Making clear the Understanding of the View
We are not appointed to Wrath
At this point it is important to understand God’s wrath according to the Word of God. We are not appointed, or assigned to God’s wrath. 1 Thess. 5:9,10 tells us that we are not appointed to God’s wrath but to salvation and forever living with him… It is important to note what we are actually appointed to and the nature thereof. Often it is assumed that God’s wrath that is to come (1 Thess. 1:10) is temporal and not eternal. The word for wrath in the Greek is thymos It is used in these passages and in the Book of Revelation up until Rev. 12 to describe wrath. (After that a different word, orge, that is often translated wrath in English is used to describe God’s anger. The word “anger” is used in some translations.) When we are told that we are not appointed to wrath in 1 Thess. 5:9, this same word is used in Rev. 6:16,17 and Rev. 11. This is the only time that word for wrath is used in the book of Revelations. In Chapter 6 of Revelations ‘man’ who has a temporal mind declares that God’s wrath has come, however in Revelations 11 God declares His wrath and its nature and by it He judges the dead. I believe we all understand this to mean that He is casting them into an eternal Hell. Rev. 14 also tells us specifically what God’s wrath/anger is… forever burning with fire and brimstone. So here it is important to understand the nature of God’s wrath, and that it is eternal in nature. God will never pour out His wrath on His own. In contrast, other views like the pre-tribulation doctrine teach that the wrath of God is temporal. This is understood, because this is one of their main arguments against the other views. They point out that the bride is not appointed to wrath and the only way for this to happen is for her not to be present on Earth when it happens. However, the problem remains that if God’s wrath is temporal then God is pouring out His wrath on His own, the tribulation saints. God’s promises to the saints who will have to endure the great tribulation are still true and valid for them. They too are not appointed to God’s wrath. To view God’s wrath as temporal turns God’s word into a lie concerning His promise to the tribulation saints. God is not a man that He should lie. Therefore God’s wrath must be viewed as eternal. In other words, God’s wrath to come is Hell and not His judgments upon the Earth during the great tribulation.
A singular event
The post-tribulation view does not recognize a separation between the event of the rapture and the second coming. The first would announce the second and Jesus declares concerning His second coming, that He is coming, “as a thief…” (2 Peter 3:10, Rev. 16:15) Jesus tells us that if the “goodman” of the house knew at what hour the thief would come that he would know at what hour to keep watch… Matt. 24:41,42. If a major event such as a rapture were to occur seven years prior to a second coming, as many believe, then there would be no element of surprise as Jesus declares, “I come as a thief…” 2 Peter 3:10, Rev. 16:15. The “goodman” as Jesus states would know exactly at what time to be keeping watch. A second coming scheduled seven years after a rapture would make Jesus into a liar. He is not.
Scripture tells us when the rapture is
The post-tribulation view recognizes every time the Word of God tells us when the rapture takes place. In 1 Cor. 15:51,52 it tells us, “at the last trump. In 2 Peter 3:10 it tells us that Jesus comes “like a thief” and gives us the events that happen surrounding that. In Rev. 16:15 it tells us that Jesus is still coming “like a thief” for those who are watching as the bowl judgments are finishing up. All of these times that the Scripture specifically indicates as timing of the rapture are considered substantial by the post-tribulation view, and none are brushed off or in need of explaining away.
At the last trumpet
There are only two places in the Scripture that indicate a mystery surrounding a trumpet, and they happen to be the last trumpet.
1 Cor. 15:51,52
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for a trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Rev. 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
One would think it difficult to deny the correlation between these Scriptures. This is the beauty of the post-tribulation view. You don’t have to twist, assume, speculate, and conjure up any ideas to support the view. Scripture supports itself. Here we see that when the last trumpet is sounded that the mystery of God is revealed. The nature of this last sounding of the trumpet is important to understand. Jesus rules and reigns forevermore. The dead are judged permanently in Hell and the righteous are permanently rewarded…Rev. 11:18. This is the end. It is also the end of the first prophesy.
[18] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth
Two prophesies
In Rev. 10:6,7 the angel swears. Two things that he swears is that at the time of the 7th trumpet, time is no more and the mystery of God is complete.
[6] And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
[7] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets
At the last trumpet, Rev. 11:15-18 Jesus rules and reigns forevermore, God judges the dead, and rewards the righteous. There is no room left to consider that the world and time continues. It is the end. This is the end of time, and this is the end of the prophesy that John gave. There simply cannot be Jesus ruling and reigning forevermore in this chapter and then in the next three chapters the saints are dying for their faith, and the beast calling the shots. It is very clear that the 7th trumpet is the end of time as the angel swore, “be time no longer.” Jesus tells us that immediately after the tribulation we will see Jesus in the clouds coming in power and great glory, and He will send His angels with the sound of a trumpet to gather His own from the four winds… Matt. 24:29-31. Paul tells us that the rapture is at the last trumpet… 1 Cor. 15:51,52.
After the angel swears in Rev. 10, John is given a scroll to eat. After which he was told that he would prophesy again. This understanding took the entire chapter 10 of Revelation to tell us this story. As John is about to complete the first prophesy, chapters 6 through 11 of Revelation, he is stopped, given a scroll to eat, and told that he would prophesy again.
Chapter 11 of Revelation ends the first prophesy and Chapter 12 begins the next. If you can grasp the fact that the scroll that John ate is this prophesy…. Chapters 12 thru 16, then it opens up clear understanding between the difference between the tribulation and God’s judgment. The tribulation is man hurting man, where judgment is God pouring out judgment on man. The Scripture show a distinct end to tribulation and a distinct beginning of judgment at the beginning of the trumpets and bowls.
One may consider the idea of 2 prophesies to be speculator, however the facts remain that at the last trumpet, the angel swore that time was no more, God judges the dead, and rewards the righteous, and Jesus rules and reigns forevermore. That pretty much makes it undeniably the end. If Christ rules and reigns forevermore then you cannot have the beast making war with the saints after that. Therefore the following chapters in Revelation cannot come afterward in a sequential order. They mystery is easily understood with chapter 10’s explanation of John prophesying again. The dual prophesy is what is being represented here.
The trumpets and the bowls are one in the same. Some completely complement each other, while others address complete different aspects of the same event. One may declares the event, while the other gives a quantity. Example: The second trumpet and the second vial/bowl.
2nd trumpet Rev. 8:8-9
And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
2nd bowl: Rev. 16:3,
And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea: and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
The bowls have a more brief explanation than the trumpets. Here we see the sea turning to blood. The trumpet gives an amount of the sea, but the bowl does not. The amount of dead also is included and here it appears that we have a discrepancy, because the trumpet tells us a third of the sea creatures died, and the bowl tells us that every living soul died. It seems to be an obvious conclusion that in the trumpets all of the sea creatures that were in the part of the sea that turned to blood were the ones that died. That too could very well be the exact interpretation for the bowl judgment, that all of the living souls that were in the part of the sea that turned to blood died. That would make it a third as well. Of course, if you cannot see this correlation, how do you explain the facts surrounding the 7th trumpet? That the angel swore that time didn’t exist after that, that the mystery was complete, that Jesus rules and reigns forevermore, and you cannot have the beast killing saints after that if Jesus is ruling and reigning forevermore? I point out the 2nd trumpet and bowl because this one seems to be the only one that presents a discrepancy concerning amounts, according to the need to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

To continue the understanding of the two prophesies; the same saints that are getting persecuted and martyred in the 5th seal in Rev. 6 are one in the same with those who refuse to take the mark of the beast and getting martyred in Rev. 13,14.
This truly is an eye opening study and once you understand the two prophesies division you also see a distinct division between the time of tribulation and that of God’s judgment/anger. You simply cannot have Jesus ruling and reigning forevermore at the seventh trumpet, and then the beast ruling and reigning in the next few chapters. That makes it impossible for there to be sequential events after chapter 11.
The last trumpet and the last bowl are one in the same. At the last bowl, Jesus declares, “I come as a thief…” Rev. 16:15. It is the same event. It is called the rapture. Jesus declares it in Matt. 24:29-31, “Immediately after the tribulation…” Paul declares the rapture at the last trumpet… 1 Cor. 15:51,52 The time of the rapture is clearly presented without any room for assumption or conjecture.

How Long is the Tribulation?
As discussed in part one the great tribulation is not defined in the Word of God as a seven year period as so many people have been taught. If you missed this understanding reviewing part 1 would be good, because the Scripture never defines the great tribulation as a seven year period of time. The book of Revelation gives us several indications of time; Times, time and half a time, forty-two months, and 1260 days.
In Rev. 11:2,3 the holy city is tread under foot for forty-two months, and the two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days. There is no indication an event that marks the beginning except for the fact of this being in or part of the second “woe.” After this period of time there is other events listed. There is no indication of how much time prior or afterwards to pinpoint this event in the overall timeline. Therefore the lapse of time is unknown in relation to the second coming. This is the indication of how long the events in great tribulation may endure. Here we see a time period placed in the 6th trumpet or 2nd “woe” if indeed they are one in the same. We are not given time periods for the other trumpets or seals. As discussed in the Two prophesies section this shows the extent of the timing given in the first prophesy.
Rev.11
[1] And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
[2] But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
[3] And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
[4] These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
[5] And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
[6] These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
[7] And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
[8] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
[9] And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
[10] And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
[11] And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
[12] And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
[13] And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
[14] The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly
In the second prophesy there is an element of time given of “times, time and half a time.” It is suggested that Newton was the first to suggest that this is a 3.5 period of time, and today many place it in that box of time. Daniel 12:7 also suggests this measurement of time. It is natural to suggest that they are one in the same, but are they? Are they three and a half year periods of time? Without further understanding, to suggest and pinpoint an accurate measurement it to base your belief on assumptions. It is important to note that although Daniel uses the measurement of time, “weeks”, he was not the first to use it. Enoch also wrote using this measurement, and in Enoch’s writings they were not seven year periods of time as many scholars suggest concerning Daniel’s writings today. Enoch’s period’s of weeks refers to 1000 +/- year eras. The book of Revelation does not mention any seven year periods of time nor does ANY other part of the Word of God.
Every time period in the Book of Revelation does not give any indicators of start, finish, or reference of time to the next event. The woman fleas to the wilderness for this duration the two witnesses, witness for this duration and the first Beast is allowed to blaspheme God for this duration. There is no indication that these are separate time periods, of if they overlap in time. All suggestions to understand these periods of time in placement of a timeline is speculator at best. However, that doesn’t stop people from doing so.
The Rapture
The when of the rapture has been discussed, but now it is time to discuss the nature of it. The rapture is for the bride who is alive and remained and makes herself ready on the Earth… 1 Thess. 3:11-13.
[11] Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.
[12] And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:
[13] To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints
The dead in Christ have risen first… 1 Thess. 4:16b,17a.
…and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds
These are two distinct groups and often confused. Paul tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord…2 Cor. 5:8. These Scriptures make it clear that those who have died in the Lord are in heaven, and return with Jesus for the bride. In 1 Thess. 3:12,13, Paul tells the bride how to get ready for when Jesus returns with all of His saints for her. The bride makes herself ready on Earth. She makes herself ready by her righteous acts. Those are works,( please refer to part 2 concerning works). There are some views that think that righteous acts can be accomplished in heaven. I don’t know, but it’s an interesting notion. I personally believe that faith, grace, and works are confined to Earth, and only exist in the form of reward in heaven.
At the rapture we meet Him in the air/clouds/four winds. At this point we are gathered together with Him and we shall forever be with Him. Where is He headed? …to the Mount of Olives… Zech 14:4,5. At this point He has all of His saints with Him.
[4] And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
[5] And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
The bride does not go to heaven, however she is with Christ on Earth…”forever with the Lord,” 1 Thess.4:17. The dead, the tribulation saints, rule and reign with Him… Rev. 20:4. There is a common misconception that the bride has been given glorified celestial bodies. Paul writes in 1 Cor. 15:52, “…the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” The dead are obviously given the glorified celestial bodies, but the bride is merely changed. How is the bride changed? Isaiah 65 tells us that during the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ that they that die at a 100 years of age will be considered young.
[20] There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Clearly the bride is changed, but not from temporal to eternal bodies. The Scripture make a distinction between the different changes between the dead and the living. We are appointed once to die… Heb. 9. The rapture change is simply an upgrade for the era of the 1000 years, “…and we shall be changed.”
Revelation 19
Where is the location of the “marriage supper of the Lamb?” Rev. 19 declares that the time for it has come, but it does not tell us where its location is. Many assume it is in heaven where the saints who have died and gone on before are. I suggest that that assumption should be noted as just that, “an assumption.” The Word simply informs us that its “time” has come in Rev. 19, and that those who are invited are “blessed”.
Revelation 19
[7] Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
[8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
[9] And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
The scenario is; the food is hot and the workers are called in from the fields by the dinner bell. The “time has come”… it’s not Burger King, “your way, right away, in 5 minutes or less.” It’s a huge feast. The “when” is declared as “the time has come”, and “blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb.” The bride has made herself ready by her righteous acts preformed on Earth…(1 Thess. 3:11-13) However the actual culmination of the feast itself is not discussed, and remains a mystery. Its climatic end is left to speculation. Some views speculate that it happens exactly at the time, I suggest that this reference is not the meal, but rather the dinner bell. The dinner bell comes with the sound of a trumpet rather than the sound of a bell…. the last trumpet. The meal happens at any point after Jesus meets His bride in the air, which is exactly where He is headed to meet up with her with all of His saints…Rev. 19 continues
[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean

The rapture and second coming is a singular event
The post-tribulation view gets a bad rap because of all the assumptions and conjectures of other views that are spoken concerning the events. We are told that there are differences between the rapture and the second coming. We are told that Jesus gathers His own at the rapture and that the angels gather His own at the second coming. Although the Scripture does indeed tell us that the angels gather in Matt. 24:29-31 (which is considered a second coming reference), we see also that we are gathered together with Him in 2 Thess. 2:1. It does not state we are gathered by Him, but with Him, which implies by others. Those others would be angels. There are loads of conjured up fabrications like this one to try and identify separation between the events. These differences simply don’t exist. The post-tribulation view recognizes this singular event to be recognized by the Word of God. The fabrications of other events are recognized as speculative in nature.
The return of the Messiah after the time of the tribulation is commonly known as the ‘second coming’. This is also the time of the rapture….
Matt. 24
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
2 Peter 3:10
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up
Revelation 16:15
[15] Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
It is interesting to note that Peter sat under Jesus teaching. Jesus taught the event of the second coming, and Peter in turn taught this to the gentiles when he traveled with Paul.
Matt. 24
[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only
However because many believe that the rapture and second coming are separate events I must show that the Scripture prove them to be singular in nature. All the Scriptures that reference an element of surprise give the timing of His return at the end of the tribulation period. Note verse 36 of Matt. 24, “But of that day…. Knoweth no man…” What day is that? It is the one just referred to in the previous verse where heaven and earth shall pass away. The same where Peter tells us that Jesus will come as a thief in the night, and the heavens shall pass away with a great noise. The coming that has an element of surprise is the one at the end. Therefore any event that would happen prior that offers a timeline for this event would destroy the element of surprise that the scripture declares. Jesus tells us that simply is not the case… Matt. 24:
[42] Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
[43] But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
If the heavens are destroyed at the end with the second coming as Peter states in 2 Peter 3:10, that would truly mark the end of time. Without the atmosphere that the heavens provide man cannot live. Obviously the battle at the end is short lived,”…whom the Lord will comsume with the breath of his mouth and destroy with the brightness of his coming.” (2 Thess. 2:8b) There is a conjured belief of the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine that presents the great tribulation period as seven years in duration, and that the rapture would happen at the beginning of it and that the second coming would happen at the end. Therefore the first event of the rapture would announce the second coming exactly seven years later. However that would directly make Jesus into a liar concerning the nature in which He declared how He would come at the end, “like a thief…” Jesus is not the liar. The conjured separation between the singular event of the rapture/second coming is the lie. The pre-tribulation view will tell you that there is no element of surprise concerning the second coming. This is directly opposite of the Word of God. Nowhere does the Scripture separate the two events, however man has made long lists of conjured up differences that is taught that simply don’t exist in the Word.
Paul taught the gentiles, and his writings are to them. This fact gives opportunity to build a theological wall of separation between the Jews and the gentiles. We must remember that this wall has been brought down, and that we are “one new man” as Paul himself pointed out in the scripture previously reviewed… Eph 2:15. However, man continues his attempt as separating what God has joined together, as a result because Paul mentions the event of the rapture several times, man attempts to seclude it for the gentiles only. Jesus also mentions the rapture, the fact that we meet Him in the air…Matt. 24:29-31. However that event we are told by man is for the Jews and it is the second coming. There is no basis for this separation other than man’s fleshly desire to escape the tribulation. Paul does not ever tell us that the event of the rapture happens prior to the tribulation. In fact he does tell us when it happens, “…at the last trumpet…” 1 Cor. 15:51,52. There is only one last trumpet in light of the end times, however to believe the pretrib view one must conjure up many. Peter informs us that concerning Paul’s writings pertaining to the end times specifically that man twists the Word as they always do.
2 Peter NKJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. 14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation–as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;
Peter doesn’t mix words concerning the wicked who twist Paul’s teachings concerning eschatology. I find it interesting that Peter makes a point of showing that the twisted doctrines are abstracted from the origins of Paul’s words. Paul’s words are where man attempts to separate Israel and the church. Scripture teaches the opposite as pointed out earlier in 2 Eph. 2:11-15.

Comfort one another with these words
The post-tribulation view sees tribulation and persecution as part of the package of salvation. Jesus preaches it, and so does Paul. We are assigned to it…John 16:33, 2 Tim. 3:12.
John 16:33
[33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
2 Tim. 3:12
[12] Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution
When 1 Thess. 4:18 tells us to “comfort one another with these words.” The post-tribulation view does not take this out of context, but recognizes the context that is defined in verse 13 where there are people who mourn because they have been taught that there is no resurrection of the dead by the Sadducees and therefore believe that there is no resurrection from the dead. This is the same context that Paul bases his resurrection text in 1 Cor. 15 as well. The comfort that Paul speaks about in verse 18 is the fact that life does not end at physical death, but we are eternal and we get to live eternally in heaven with Him.
1 Thess. 4:13-18
[13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Most people who haven’t got a clue about an afterlife believe that when we die that is the end of our life. This is the basic atheist belief… no afterlife. This also is the reason for sorrow in 1 Thess. 4:13. Scripture make it very clear in verse 13 for the reason for sorrow. It is concerning those who have died… “sleep.” The sorrow is not in consideration to those who are living.
After this statement Paul tells us plainly about the fact that death is not the end, but that we are resurrected and live eternally. This fact is the reason for comfort and Paul states “comfort one another with these words…” This is the reason for comfort, and the proper context of the Word.
There is an all out lie that we are to comfort one another with the words that we escape tribulation. Nowhere in the passage is this a consideration. This idea is totally conjured up and taught contrary to the words of Jesus:
John 16:33
[33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Jesus commands us to have peace and “good cheer” concerning tribulation. Never does the Word of God give us any indication to even attempt to escape it. In fact Jesus rebuked the spirit that was behind Peters words who tried to get Jesus not to return to Jerusalem and face the crucifixion. Jesus rebuked, “Get thee behind me Satan!” After Jesus speaks of the stony soil folk who are unprepared for tribulation and persecution, He tells us to be a light on the hill and let our light shine. Mark 4
Praying Always to be worthy to Escape
We are told by Jesus to pray always that we may be considered worthy to escape it all… Luke 21:36.
Luke 21:36
[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Escaping it all is not the rapture. It cannot be because worthiness refers to works. We are not saved by works, and therefore cannot be raptured by them either, because being saved and being raptured is inseparable. All those who are saved will be raptured. Rather we are told to pray always that we may be counted worthy to escape it all. We know a great many nasty things are coming to the Earth and we know our need for God otherwise we can be swept away by all that is coming.
The Rapture is not Imminent
Paul tells us that two things must happen first prior to our being gathered together with Christ at the rapture… 2 Thess. 2:1-3.
2Thes.2
[1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
[2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
The anti-Christ must first be revealed prior to our gathering together with Him. At this point in time no man can say for certain who the anti-Christ is. The simple reason being is because he has not been revealed yet. The other is that there first must be a falling away from the faith. The word in the Greek is apostasia where we get the English word apostate or apostasy, which means to turn from the faith. Jesus tells us that those who are not prepared for tribulation and persecution will “immediately stumble.” He calls the condition of the heart “stony”… Mark 4:18. We have seen this historically when the Red Curtain fell in China. The in book, The Harvest, by Rick Joiner, he records an interview with the Chinese church leaders who lived through the blunt of the tribulation in China in the last century. They showed great remorse for teaching the pre-tribulation rapture view to their people. Rather they wished they had prepared them for the tribulation that Jesus promised. They watched as many of their flocks turned away from their faith in God. Most of the church in the USA has this same mindset, ready to make any excuse necessary to compromise their faith. When people cannot buy food or necessities without having the mark of the beast the majority of the church will fall away. As a result only the true saints will be left. It will not be surprising that Jesus told us in the parable of the 10 virgins that half who are waiting for His return will not have the oil in their lamps to make the distance… Matt. 25.
A Most Destructive Doctrine
The Post-tribulation view has been accused of being very destructive to the faith for two reasons. These two reasons have come from the pre-trib belief. The first is derived from the concept of “hope.” We are told that the post-trib view destroys the message of “hope” that the pre-trib view represents. Actually the coming of our Lord is the “blessed hope,” and not any conjured up ideas of being able to escape tribulation…Titus 2:13. As anyone can see this concept must be added to the Word of God. Assumed, (and hoped) to be where it is not.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Naturally for the flesh all persecution and tribulation is undesirable. Yet Paul tells us that he glories in his tribulations because they produce righteousness in him…Rom. 5:3
Romans 5:3,4
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
The true underlying foundational issue between the views is this exact issue, persecution and tribulation. It is not that those who believe the post-trib view want to be persecuted and face tribulation, the fact is that they have not rejected the truth that we are assigned to them… John 16:33, 2 Tim 3:12. So often I get asked, “Why would you WANT to go through the great tribulation?” My response is, “What do my WANTS have to do with correct doctrine?” What I want doesn’t define truth; the Word of God defines truth. These questions expose the truth to why so many have chosen to believe the pre-trib doctrine in the first place. The reason being is because they WANT to escape persecution and tribulation.
The second accusation against the post-trib view, that accuses it of being dangerous stems from the pre-trib doctrine of immanency. That is the doctrine that states that Jesus could come at any moment and that there is absolutely nothing that needs to happen prior to His return. As a result we must have our hearts pure and ready, watching and waiting, knowing that He could return at any moment and we don’t want to be flubbing up when He comes. The accusation is that the post-tribbers don’t have this mindset, but rather they have a mindset that it is a free-for-all season to live in sin so that they can repent and get right just at the last moment. Of course, there is not any documentation to substantiate the slanderous accusation.
The Word of God shows a different picture. It shows that those who are willing to take on the trials of tribulation are those who are purified. As we see with Paul in Romans 5. Paul tells us to “count it all joy” when we enter into them, knowing that “they” will make us perfect and complete lacking nothing…
James 1:2-4
2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing
The Word clearly shows the connection between the trials of tribulation and the righteousness of the saints. It is the righteous act of the saints which clothes the bride in fine white linen, and makes her ready. Simple math would tell us that the more tribulation, the whiter the linens of the bride. If the white linen was accomplished by Christ and the work of the cross, then the Word of God would have stated so, but it does not. Instead it states that the white linen is the result of the righteous acts of the saints…Rev. 19:
Revelation 19:8
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
The Word of God shows that that our clothing or nakedness in heaven is totally a result of our works and not Christ’s work on the cross..
Rev. 16:15
15 Behold , I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth , and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame
On the other hand the pre-trib view tells us that “works” are not an issue and that Jesus “paid it all,” therefore we don’t have to go through any trials. That is the message of hope that the view brings. It is contrary to the Word of God. I would be interrupted at this point, “WAIT, WAIT, WAIT a minute there BUDDY! You are misrepresenting the view! The pre-trib view does not reject the concept of personal tribulation and trials, just the GREAT tribulation.” So here we see that they do indeed draw a line, however this line is unscriptural and rejected by the post-trib view. Never does the Word of God make this distinction. It is true that the pre-trib view do indeed except the concept of tribulation hypothetically. It helps them feel better. HOWEVER, they consistently preach that the comfort that we are told to give one another is escaping from tribulation, referring to 1 Thess. 4:18, and that the “blessed hope” is also preached as escaping tribulation… Titus 2:13. The first is contrary to the Word of God and out of context, and the second is derived from speculative conjecture defining the “blessed hope” as their heart’s desires. The pre-trib view tells us that trials and tribulation is the act of an abusive husband. This is where we get the accusation of “Christ beating up His bride” prior to His return. The testing of our faith is referred to as “Christ beating up His bride.” We are told that the white linen that the bride wears is a result of Christ’s work on the cross, and not the righteous acts of the saints. As we can see in the Word of God, these ideas are a contradiction.
Tribulation Saints

The tribulation saints written about in the Book of Revelation do not love their lives to the death. In other words, they lay down their life. There will be many martyrs. It is apparent that the choice is theirs, and that their life is not taken from them without their consent. Martyrs don’t just wake up one day, and decide that it is a good day to give their life away. It starts by taking up their cross daily, as we are commanded to do.

It also comes with communion with Christ. With the understanding of the broken body and the blood poured out because of His love for us, we come to realize His love for us. Because He first loved us we in turn can love Him, and discover what true love is. The sacrifice that is required is no longer the death of animals, but the once and for all time sacrifice that Jesus paid. As a result we too are asked to follow in His footsteps. Not for our own redemption, but so that others may hear, and believe. It is a process that starts out by opening our mouths to speak truth even when it is not well received. Knowing that speaking the truth will result in persecution. The opposite is telling people what they want to hear. In the manner that produces persecutions concerning the opening of our mouths, the Spirit and the bride say, “come!” Jesus was crucified because of the words that He spoke that caused a rub. The bottom line is who you serve, God or yourself.
The message of salvation is tied to our willingness to be persecuted. Jesus addresses this in the parable of the sower as previously referred to in part 2 of this manuscript. Jesus tells us that the stony soil will not stand when persecution and tribulation come. Therefore if Jesus makes a contrast between the fertile soil and the stony soil with this issue as the focus, then the opposite is the case for the fertile soil. The fertile soil is willing and ready for persecution and tribulation. In fact it could be stated that the fertile soil is someone who would raise their hand as a volunteer, if one were asked for. That is the contrast between the two soils. Yet today many believe that they are numbered with the fertile soil and yet they run as far and as fast as they can away from any conflict that tribulation and persecution represent.
One Body in Christ Jesus
Pre-Tribulation Doctrine creates a serious contrast to the Word of God concerning the tribulation saints. The saints in Revelation have the same promises that are applicable to all of God’s people. The doctrine of the pretrib believe that the bride is removed prior to the great tribulation and there for the tribulation saints are not the bride, and the promises of God do not extend to them. However, they too are not appointed to wrath… see the section on wrath previously. The view believes that God’s wrath is temporal and earthly, rather than an eternal Hell. As a result, they believe that these individuals will experience God’s wrath. This simply is contrary to the Word of God; the promises of God do not stop extending to them. We are one body in Christ Jesus. There is not a separation of Jews, church (bride of Christ), and tribulation saints. That simply would break up the body of Christ into three bodies, which it is not. This is contrary to the Word, because the bride could not be the tribulations saints and the tribulation saints could not be the bride, and the doctrine clearly separates them into two bodies.
Ephesians 2
[11] Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
[15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
No matter what era you live in, as a follower of Christ we are all called to lay down our lives, take up our cross, and follow… You cannot state that a martyrs’ life is not for you. In doing so you are stating that Christianity is not for you. We must count the cost, and take up our cross daily. The pre-tribulation doctrine attempts to steer us away from this mindset. Attempting to teach comfort in the opposite mindset, of escaping tribulation. That view is a self-seeking and fleshly view that is very desirable to the flesh that wants it so badly to be true. Naturally, fleshly speaking, who would want to have to endure any tribulation? Peter made absolute since when he tried to keep Jesus from returning to Jerusalem. Jesus response, “get thee behind me Satan!”

In conclusion
The beauty of the post-tribulation view is that you can find all the facts in Scripture and you do not need to assume, conjure up, or speculate to present this view. It is a very literal view. All of the loose ends are accounted for in the Word of God, and present a neat package. When someone asks you what you believe, you can present this view with confidence, knowing that it cannot be pulled apart by Scripture, because it is the Scripture and not man’s opinion. Scripture itself debates the pre-tribulation rapture views. You don’t have to present a cop-out excuse like some of the other views train alongside the view. One of the favorite cop-outs being, “I will not debate with you,” or you need to be more constructive and win souls for Jesus…” We are commanded to be ready in season and out to answer the hope that is in us. With the view you can confidently answer all the questions concerning the hope that is in you. It may be true that other views may line up better with Jewish traditions and ritual ceremonies; however, I will stick with lining up my doctrines with the word of God, rather than the traditions of man. As stated in part two earlier, the post-tribulation believer considers the view itself to be salvific (relating to salvation) in nature. The view prepares fertile soil of salvation by giving the mindset that tribulation and persecution is indeed assigned to us as believers.

 

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