The Post-trib U-turn Rapture

The pre-trib doctrine tells us that the Post-trib doctrine is ridiculous because of a massive u-turn that would be required to take place.  I know that the pre-trib supporters make this claim of the post-trib view, but I don’t find it in the post-trib doctrine.

Here is what happens.  We meet Jesus in the air/clouds… 1 Thess. 4:14-17, Matt. 24:29-31, … where we rendezvous.  Jesus is not headed for heaven but rather for the Mount of Olives… Zech 14:4,5.  Jesus rules and reigns for 1000 years on Earth with the martyred tribulation saints… Rev. 20:4.  Yes, Jesus had gone and prepared a place for us in heaven, that where He is there we may be also…John 14:3, but we are with the Lord, and He is not in Heaven, but on Earth for 1000 years.

Notice that only the DEAD get incorruptible bodies, not the raptured… 1 Cor. 15:51-54.  The raptured get physical immortal bodies like Adam and Eve had in the garden prior to the fall due to sin.  “… by one man’s sin, death entered into the World…”  The bodies that the raptured receive are not glorified heavenly bodies as many brainwash in their teachings.  The raptured do not need glorified heavenly bodies, because they are with the Lord, who is on Earth for the next 1000 years.



  1. I just started blogging. Looking through other blogs on the subject (last days) I have got to say I feel some relief to find yours. So much insanity with the pretrib thing (and similar ideas) that it blows my mind. It makes me hate this subject, and yet it is inescapable. I appreciate your efforts to discount it the pre-trib, though I think very few will be convinced through any reasoning that you or I can send their way.
    As for this post, I never before thought of any difference between what sort of bodies the DEAD receive and the raptured. Interesting, though it seems a bit trivial. I will take what I get and try to be content, assuming I can be a part of either group.
    I looked over a couple other pages on this site. I am a bit lost on your reasoning for “The Bible Tells The Exact Timing for the Rapture”. I do not see any reason the trumpet that comes with Christ’s return has to correlate with the 7th trumpet that correlates with the end of time. Would not that 7th trumpet, at the end of time, also be after the 1000 year reign of Christ? So, how could it also be at the beginning of the 1000 year reign of Christ?
    Overall, I am liking your direction. Just think there are a few kinks to straighten out.


    1. Thanks Harry for your comment.

      I’ll address your comment about the 7th trumpet vs. the last trumpet from a different angle. Jesus states that He is coming quickly and that His reward is with Him…Rev. 22:12 If His reward is with Him, that is like bringing cash to pay for a purchase. If it’s a car you are selling, you are not interested in installments for payment, cash is king. Jesus is rewarding at the time of His coming. Every man according to their work. So we know that when Jesus rewards is the time that coincides with the timing of His coming. The 24 elders state that Jesus rewards the righteous at the 7th trumpet…Rev. 11:18. That in itself tells us that the rapture is at the 7th trumpet. Paul tells us that the rapture is at the last trumpet…1 Cor. 15:51,52. Stating that the 7th is the last trumpet doesn’t provide proof in itself that they are one in the same. Rather, the timing of rewarding is the proof of when the rapture occurs. Therefore, the fact that Paul states that the rapture happens at the last trumpet shows that the last trumpet and the 7th trumpet are one in the same.

      I’m not following your question, ” Would not that 7th trumpet, at the end of time, also be after the 1000 year reign of Christ?” I do not see any Scriptural backing for the 7th trumpet after a 1000 year reign. Rev. 20:4,5 tells us that those who were martyred for not taking the mark will rule and reign with Christ fof 1000 years. The 7th trumpet is the beginning of this rule…Rev. 11:15. At this point the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our God, and He rules and reigns forevermore.


      1. Not disagreeing that the 7th trumpet is the last trumpet. Not disagreeing that Christ will reward those who trust him and follow him.
        The 7th trumpet corresponds with the end of time as we know it (Revelation 10:6,7), so the Millennial Reign is over when the 7th trumpet sounds.
        I believe you stated yourself that the Second Coming happens before the Millennial Reign; therefore, the trumpet that corresponds with the Second Coming is not the 7th trumpet. The 7th trumpet brings about the second resurrection and Judgment Day (Revelation 11:18). Paul denotes this one, not the first resurrection. Only John of Revelation mentions the first resurrection (Revelation 20:4-6). It is exclusively for those who lose their heads in the great tribulation. Immediately after this first resurrection, believing survivors are ‘raptured’ up to meet Him in the air. There is no rapture before this (1 Thessalonians 4:15-18). The wicked (the marked) are destroyed, and the thousand year reign begins. After the thousand years are over and Satan is released (Revelation 20:3, 7-10), and the nations pursue the wrong course for the last time, then the seven trumpets will occur, which culminates in the end of this heaven and this earth and the resurrection of the just and the unjust, which is Judgment Day, wherein the just get reward and the unjust get punishment.

  2. So are you suggesting that the mark of the beast happens during the1000 years rather than the tribulation? The first bowl judgement shows the physical judgment on those who have taken the mark… open sores. This could happen with the release of a dirty bomb. The same effect of putting metal into a microwave. If the mark is indeed a microchip implant. The chips would explode and cook the flesh surrounding it, causing an open sore. What are you suggesting the time/placement of the bowls in light of the trumpets of Revelation. Obviously they are mentioned after the trumpets in Revelation. However, Scripture clearly shows that the bowl judgments are on the same generation that took the mark.

    Also concerning judgment day. There are two days of judgment. The first where Christ judges the dead and places them in Hell, and the second white thrown judgment is by the Father, where the books are open, and Hell and those in Hell is again judged. The nature of judgment at the 7th bowl is different than the nature of judgment at the end of the 1000 yrs.


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