You cannot have Godliness without persecution and tribulation!

So often I hear we need to get ready.  By this people are referring to cleaning up our lives and becoming godly, because we could get raptured at any moment.  However, 2 Tim. 3:12 tells us that all those who live godly lives in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.  If that is so and Jesus is coming for a bride who has made herself ready, how can she make herself ready without persecution and tribulation?



  1. Now it is you I would refer to the Scripture. Jesus said in John 14 when He prayed for us that we would have tribulation ( little t) in this world! He also taught He had overcome the world. He warned His disciples that they would suffer persecution. This is purifying the Bride down thru the ages and now. If Holiness and purity is a heart /by faith appropriation that changes our lives, it is happening by the work of the Holy Spirit. Even the “goodness of God leads to repentance! Hallelujah! His work is complete! Hallelujah! He has sat down at the right hand of the Father! Hallelujah ! He has made us to be more than conquerors! Praise to the Lamb! He is returning for His Bride and coming again to the Earth to but an end to its death and sin and to reign forever and ever!


  2. It’s a good thing I know that one by heart, or you would have left me scratching my head trying to make sense of your scripture reference. The verse you are referring to is John 16:33, not John 14, and no it does not say that Jesus would pray that we would have tribulation. He tells us that that is our temporal assignment or appointment. Notice also that He commands us to have “Good Cheer” concerning tribulation and “peace.”

    I do find it humorous that the pretrib doctrine has so much drama, concerning the Big T / little t issue. Make sure you emphasis the word GREAT in great tribulation, and pronounce it s-l-o-w-l-y. Someone should have told Jesus, He states, “immediately after the tribulation…” Matt. 24:29. No BIG T there. The drama scene is created and concocted to produce the illusion that there is a separation and say Christians won’t be a part of it. This drama seems to be necessary to make up for the lack of scriptural support.

    Concerning Christ’s finished work and laying the foundation for our sanctification. So true, Christ’s work is complete, and in Him we can find that completeness. However, that does not mean that we have no need to overcome and be made pure. The churches in Revelation show us that some overcome and others do not, some watch, and others do not. The foolish virgins who were anticipating and spent time watching, and believed in the return, were turned away and told, “I never knew you.” All the parables in Matt. 25 have the same message of salvation… So many believe they are on the right path, and think that a shallow sinners prayer will give them the fire insurance to keep them from Hell. Jude tells us that, teachers with a doctrine of grace, that is incorrect have crept into the churches. This teaching turns the grace of our God into a license to sin. God does not turn a blind eye to sin and refer to this as grace. Grace is the power and ability to overcome sin. When grace is applied, sin is absent.

    To address the last sentence of the comment… Jesus will indeed rule and reign forevermore, but in the millennium sin and death still exist. Isaiah tells us that those who die under 100 years of age will be considered to have died young.

    The nature of the post asks the question concerning the correlation between tribulation and godliness. Pretribbers believe that tribulation is unnecessary for bring about purity, as shown in this comment. However, Paul tells us in Rom. 5:3,4, that tribulation does indeed purify us and builds character. Without it the bride cannot be made white, and pure. Daniel 12:10. Paul tells the bride how to make herself ready on Earth to be presented to the Father when Jesus comes with all of His saints… 1 Thess. 3:12,13.


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